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Old 02-10-2012, 04:11 PM   #11
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In the end you can post any recipe you like as long as you describe it in your own words. Ingredient lists cannot be copyrighted, the text used in descriptions (methods) are generally copyrighted by default. (The author need not take any particular steps to post a copyright notice but it's good practice to do so.) If you rewrite the text of the description/method in your own words then you have not violated any copyright. (In fact you yourself own the copyright to your version of the text.)

It's intellectually dishonest to represent the work of another person as your own (plagiarism) but that is not a crime, and as long as you don't use the text then it isn't copyright infringement either. I have no idea if Pioneer Woman has done this, but I'll be surprised if she has infringed anybody's copyrights. Her site is too big and involved that any reasonable person would take that risk.

I'll continue to enjoy her site. If some day she shows up in the news as the recipient of a lawsuit then I may change my opinion.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:41 PM   #12
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It continues to amaze me that people can copyright recipes. Aren't we supposed to use them? Tell our friends about good ones?

I almost never make things exactly according to a recipe anyway. I look at the ingredient list and usually make changes, either according to availability or I may think another ingredient would taste better.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:15 PM   #13
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It continues to amaze me that people can copyright recipes. Aren't we supposed to use them? Tell our friends about good ones?
What would you say to cookbook authors? I presume being paid for their work is the motivating factor for most cookbooks written. Without copyright laws somebody could just post all the recipes on the Internet and nobody would need the book. Nobody would write any cookbooks and the only kind of recipes we'd have would be posted on the Internet by hobbyists. We need to encourage authors to publish their works and copyrights are our assurance to creators that they will be fairly rewarded for their past works and will encouraged to create new works.

I think we have plenty of ways to share recipes and still satisfy copyright laws. The best way is to share links to recipe websites. If the source is a printed cookbook you have to go to extra work and rewrite the recipe in your own words. It's still a good idea to give the original author credit.
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:29 PM   #14
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"The Marlboro Woman" appears to be an "I Hate Pioneer Woman" site. http://the marlboro woman.com/ (remove spaces to get valid link)

I can only wonder about somebody who spends that amount of time and effort on hating one person.

Well, what a hateful website That marlboro woman is consumed with hatred and more then likely.. jealousy
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:59 PM   #15
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Well, what a hateful website That marlboro woman is consumed with hatred and more then likely.. jealousy
Can you imagine spending the day with her and trying to pretend being her friend? I might last through her first diatribe. And then I would let loose.
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:51 PM   #16
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I'm fascinated by PW's naming of the recipe, "Knock You Naked Brownies."

That's pure genius!

Maybe PW is talented in finding recipes and testing them, documenting them in an interesting way and then blogging them.

That's a talent!

I'd feel great if I could accomplish even 1/100 of what she does. I'll wait until the lawsuit before I have anything negative to say about PW, and I'll be surprised if that day ever comes.

I just googled another PW recipe that I recently posted on this forum, "Crash Hot Potatoes." (google link) What did PW do wrong? She documented her own vision of Crash Hot Potatoes. She didn't steal it from anybody unless she copied their words. I didn't see any claim that she invented the recipe.

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Not sure if you guys are aware of it, but there's all sorts of buzz on many different internet sites about The Pioneer Woman plagiarizing recipes. This brownies recipe in particular appears to have been lifted out of a cookbook from Ree Drummond's home town of Bartlesville. The Marlboro Woman website has photos and more info. As for her cookbook, those recipes for the most part have been lifted and no sources were credited. Very bad form in my opinion.
I'm sorry you made this your debut post. You would have been better served to have posted something positive.
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:58 PM   #17
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Can you imagine spending the day with her and trying to pretend being her friend? I might last through her first diatribe. And then I would let loose.
And she showed up to the PW's home with lice/ or she had her kids and they had lice, lice was involved somehow!

I read tidbits of the articles and I just can't imagine why anyone would devote all their time to bash on someone else. It's very obsessive.

I will continue being a fan of PW, I like her humor and recipes that she posts. :)
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:02 PM   #18
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PW "the Best Lasagna Ever" is pretty awesome, it's my go-to lasagna. I have upgraded the sausage and parmesan, but it is really easy and the best I've ever made.

I don't think that she claimed to invent the recipe....
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I like that this topic veered from Knock You Dead Brownies to a discussion about PW. I think if you like the brownies you'll cook it, or not. I think the topic has become far more interesting about PW and her blog, and I think some of us have learned an interesting perspective on her recipes and upon blogging recipes, and blogging style. And unfortunately, upon people who have envy issues.

Meanwhile I invented the steak recipe! You cut off part of a cow and grill it!
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:45 PM   #20
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Meanwhile I invented the steak recipe! You cut off part of a cow and grill it!




and back to the brownies.. they look great and I will try them although I don't bake much (if I bake it I eat it and I usually prefer to put my calories into all the breads/ pastas I adore)
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