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Old 02-13-2012, 11:13 PM   #31
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I'm an intelligent individual who can smell a phony a mile away.
It's funny and ironic that you and I seemingly share that.

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You've been quite harsh on MW who it seems, to me at least, is only trying to present a well-documented case for plagiarism. She/He has photos of the lifted recipes plus the cookbooks Drummond stole from. Plus there are 2 other websites: Pie Near Woman and The Pioneer Woman Sux who also have documented evidence of Ree's less-than-pioneer lifestyle.
Yeah, I too would spend many hours a day to oppose the injustices committed by just one woman. I'd spend most of my days thinking about this one woman. I'd surely stalk her. I would be very envious of her way with words, I'd be very envious of her blog and evidently she has a Food Network TV program and I'd envy that too.

I'd probably even post three oppositional sites, just because I'm so committed to hating this one person. And I'd Google her every day. I would join Internet forums and I would make my attack on PW as my very first post, and I wouldn't be distracted by contributing anything else to these forums that doesn't support my mission.

Please quote where she said she invented any recipe. All I've seen PW do is document recipes, in an amusing and thorough style. Please give us a quote where she claimed any of her recipes are her original creations. Please give us an explicit quote where she infringes other peoples' copyrights.

She is original in the way she describes and documents her recipes. We can always hate her for that.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:25 AM   #32
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Exactly! I read a lot of cookbooks and recipes on the internet. I see the same recipes over and over with only slight modifications here and there. Just look for chocolate cake recipes and you will see hundreds of variations on the Hershey's recipe on the back of the cocoa can, with no credit given to Hershey, even the Barefoot Contessa uses the basic recipe and calls it her own.

Same goes for the classic 1-2-3-4 cake, that recipe is everywhere.

I am pretty sure that her publisher made sure that there wasn't any plagiarism at least nothing that would get them sued.
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. Plus there are 2 other websites: Pie Near Woman and The Pioneer Woman Sux who also have documented evidence of Ree's less-than-pioneer lifestyle.
What exactly does this mean? Is her husband not a rancher? Does her website not contain hundreds of pictures of her life, her nice home, her lodge with the dream kitchen, her expensive SUV? Please explain how she is misrepresenting her lifestyle. It's not like it is full of pictures of her and her kids in pioneer clothes, beating laundry on a rock.
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:28 PM   #33
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The issue isn't whether PW is copying the idea of the recipe. An idea of a recipe cannot be copyrighted or patented. Not even the list of ingredients can be copyrighted. Only the description of how you make it, the method, can be copyrighted. If you describe a recipe in your own words then you are not violating any copyright. Evidently PW is being accused of "stealing" the ideas for recipes and putting them on her website. But there's nothing wrong with using the ideas of others. It's perfectly legal as long as PW writes her own descriptions and from what I've seen that's exactly what she does. In fact that's why I like her site, because she is good with words and often clever too.
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:38 PM   #34
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Pioneer Woman is simply a title she has chosen for her style of cooking and writing. Not her lifestyle. And she has been very successful at it. Otherwise she wouldn't be able to afford the lovely home she has. She and her husband work hard for their money. Every worked on a ranch? It is not an easy job. The men and women who choose to do this work do so for a love of the land. And they see their part as saving the land from big developers.

Why shouldn't they have a lovely home, drive a nice vehicle? Would you deny them the fruit of their efforts?

And has been pointed out in this thread, when a list of ingredients start with... One box of cake mix, you can hardly say that recipe is copyrighted. Where is the plagiarism there?

Can you give one ironclad example of plagiarism on her part? Something that the originator of that recipe could take to court and win with certainty?
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:53 PM   #35
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The list of ingredients has nothing to do with it. Lists of ingredients cannot be copyrighted. Nor does the inclusion of a package ingredient (e.g. a cake mix) prevent copyrighting of the written method. A description of a method is a copyrightable authorial work. The words are what's copyrighted, not the list and not the idea. As long as PW wrote it up herself--and it appears she did--then she hasn't violated anybody else's copyright, and in fact even has her own copyright on the words she used to describe the method for making these brownies.

Just repeating, the presence of a package ingredient on the ingredient list has absolutely nothing to do with whether a written method is copyrighted. In fact the ingredient list has nothing to do with the copyright. The only thing relevant to copyrights is the words used in describing the method. Only that matters. Nothing else matters.
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:13 PM   #36
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One of the things I like about the PW site is not just the recipe, but the photo essay of the process. Sometimes people don't say well what they mean with instructions and the photos really help show how she got her recipe done. I wish more people took the time to document the process with pictures (and well done, pictures at that).

Bread is 4 ingredients. Unless you created your recipe 5000 years ago, you are just using someone else's recipe.
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:20 PM   #37
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Most people like the detailed step-by-step accompanied by pictures and PW does that well. As much as I know other people like that, I'm not one of them, but what I really like is that PW posts a summary recipe at the end for people like me who like recipes short and sweet. I like to look at the photo essay and then if I want to save the recipe to a local copy I cut 'n paste the final short version of the recipe. (And include the URL in my notes.) PW pays a lot of attention to detail and I like that. I like that she knows some people don't want to cook from a long version of the recipe, people like me.
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Most people like the detailed step-by-step accompanied by pictures and PW does that well. As much as I know other people like that, I'm not one of them, but what I really like is that PW posts a summary recipe at the end for people like me who like recipes short and sweet. I like to look at the photo essay and then if I want to save the recipe to a local copy I cut 'n paste the final short version of the recipe. (And include the URL in my notes.) PW pays a lot of attention to detail and I like that. I like that she knows some people don't want to cook from a long version of the recipe, people like me.
Yes, you have the right of it. I tend to go to the bottom, look at that, then scan back up.

Though the pictures can be food porn and enjoyable even if I am not going to make the recipe.
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:38 PM   #39
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That's exactly why I started this topic: food porn! I have absolutely no intention of cooking Knock You Naked Brownies. I'd eat most of them myself and I'd be sick for days. I'd rather look at the pictures and read the article and enjoy the brownies vicariously, and I posted the OP because I thought the blog article was interesting and worth reading. (I think some of the DC members might enjoy cooking it too.)

I have saved several of her other recipes like the Crash Hot Potatoes, something I have every intention of cooking. BTW you can find dozens of Crash Hot Potatoes on the Internet, many of them virtually identical to PW's version. But none of them have word-for-word identical descriptions of the method. PW didn't invent it, she documented it, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:57 PM   #40
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I bought PW's book awhile back and it is so enjoyable..... I really recommend it to anyone who likes to "read" a cookbook. It's not so much the recipes but her style of writing and the pictures were fun (both of the food and her family on the ranch)
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