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Old 10-05-2007, 02:57 PM   #91
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No I'm bored with margarine now. Plus it's gross.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:18 PM   #92
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Why is it so expensive in your area. Here its not to bad. $1.50 per pound for margarine and $2.00-$2.19 per pound for butta. If i were to buy butter at the costco or sams club its like $1.00 per pound

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If you've been shopping for cheese or milk lately, you may have had to dig a little deeper into your wallet. Dairy prices have been rising fast not just in the U.S., but around the world. Even for a product as local as fresh milk, the global market comes into play.

"Prices are shooting up for virtually every dairy product you care to name," says Chris Horseman of Agra Informa, a company that tracks food commodities.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:34 PM   #93
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Margarine is the emusification of vegetable oil, not fatty acids, with water. By law it must be made from canola, safflower, sunflower, corn, soybean, or peanut oil or a mixture of them.


When you see that an oil is comprised of saturated or unsaturated fat, what exactly do you think theyíre talking about. Itís a fatty acid.

Fatty Acids: Classifications & Importance

Fats and oils are constructed of building blocks called triglycerides. Fatty acids are the primary components of triglycerides (the other component is glycerin), and subsequently of fats and oils. Fatty acids comprise 95 of every 100 grams of fat or oil.

Fatty acids are differentiated by their molecular composition. One differentiating characteristic is the degree of saturation: saturated, monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Another is chain length, the number of carbon atoms in the fatty acid molecule.



As for margarine, it is an emulsification of fat and water.

Butter is churned milk, and is 80% fat.

That Land-O-Lakes product is Butter (a FAT) emulsified with water. By definition, that is margarine.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:36 PM   #94
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That Land-O-Lakes product is Butter (a FAT) emulsified with water. By definition, that is margarine.

Of course I can't resist....


Margerine by government regulation (USDA), thus by definition, is made with vegetable oil and not animal fat. By law, if a "spread" is made with animal fat it is not and cannot be called margarine.

Butter is not vegetable oil. It's an animal fat. Butter emulsified with water is not margerine.
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Of course I can't resist....


Margerine by government regulation (USDA), thus by definition, is made with vegetable oil and not animal fat. By law, if a "spread" is made with animal fat it is not and cannot be called margarine.

Butter is not vegetable oil. It's an animal fat. Butter emulsified with water is not margerine.
Semantics. Itís obvious the Land-O-Lakes product in question is not "butter".

So what would you like to call it? A spread? Ok, but most people call margarine a "table spread" or margarine spread.




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Of course I can't resist....


Margerine by government regulation (USDA), thus by definition, is made with vegetable oil and not animal fat. By law, if a "spread" is made with animal fat it is not and cannot be called margarine.
Then again.....you're actually wrong about this.

According to the FDA standard "21 CFR 166.110", margarine can contain:

(1) Edible fats and/or oils, or mixtures
of these, whose origin is vegetable
or rendered animal carcass fats,
or any form of oil from a marine species
that has been affirmed as GRAS or
listed as a food additive for this use,
any or all of which may have been subjected
to an accepted process of
physico-chemical modification. They
may contain small amounts of other
lipids, such as phosphatides or unsaponifiable
constituents, and of free
fatty acids naturally present in the fat
or oil.


And of course, there is the USDA specifications which say that margarine shall adhere to the FDA specification Title 21, Part 166 as listed above. The USDA also says:

Margarine can contain dairy ingredients.

Dairy Ingredients.
Dry dairy products used as ingredients for which there are U.S. grades established (nonfat dry milk, dry whole milk, and dry whey) shall meet the criteria of U.S. Extra Grade.

And the USDA states that dry whole milk must contain at least 26% fat (that would be animal fat).


(1) Milk fat Not less than 26.0%

And even the margarine blends have to adhere to the FDA specification which allow animal fats.

Margarine/butter blend shall comply with all applicable Federal regulations including the pertinent sections contained in CFR Title 21 Part 166 for Margarine, and the Federal Definition of Butter, Public Law 519 of 67th Congress, March 4, 1923.
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Whoops.....I believe I stand corrected by my own research.

According to CITE: 21CFR101.67 by the FDA concerning butter:

The product may contain water to replace milkfat although the amount of water in the product shall be less than the amount of cream, milk, or milk constituents;

So, according to that definition, the Land-O-Lakes stuff IS butter since the water content is less than the milk/cream/milkfat content.

Ok then....that stuff can be called butter.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:54 PM   #98
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LOL.... cool.

I think I've learned more about margarine and butter than I thought possible. The "rendered animal carcass fats" is enough to keep me away from margarine if nothing else. Eugh.

And now I know I can keep calling it butter spread.
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:12 PM   #99
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OHHH shoot i feel a debate commin on.
That was funny I never thought this would turn into such a hot topic.
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Old 10-07-2007, 01:01 PM   #100
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I bought butter at Costco yesterday. $7.69 for a block of four one pound packages ($1.92/Lb). It's the same grade (AA) as the LoL at the supermarket.

The ingredients list consisted of cream and salt, both of which I cook with.

C'mon! Cream and salt or that long list of stuff they use to make something that tastes like cream and salt.

keltin, of course it has a greasy feeling on your tongue, it's 80% fat!
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