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Old 10-30-2013, 11:47 AM   #61
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Very nice looking spread Steve. What kind of sauce is that on the salmon?
That's a homemade Habanero-Tomato chutney I canned last month using stuff from the garden. It came out great and I use it on everything: pork chops, fish, sausages, etc.
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:02 PM   #62
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I agree with you 100% on all counts including your work at the food bank. We do about 30 hours of volunteer work a week and constantly hear "How much do they pay you for doing this?". Mouths fly open when they hear "Nothing, it's called volunteering".
good for you oldvine,respect!!
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:36 PM   #63
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you are completely missing the point & blurring the shape.we all know how the economics work,we all know about sweatshops,huge margins & poverty line payslips...anyone who watches the tv,listens to the radio,reads a paper, uses the internet or simply walks about with their eyes open knows all of that & it will takes many,many years to change.it is pointless imo to reiterate what we all already know & have heard a thousand times before.
my point was a simple one...these people need help NOW.the symptoms can be alleviated while we try to find a cure
But you can't find a cure until we accept and deal with the causes and acknowledge our part in perpetuating the problem
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:41 PM   #64
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You can acknowledge probable causes while still treating the symptoms. It is not a case of one or the other here.

For as long as there have been organized groups of people living together there have been folks going hungry. Its up to those who have food to share with those that don't. Period, the end.
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:14 PM   #65
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You can acknowledge probable causes while still treating the symptoms. It is not a case of one or the other here.

For as long as there have been organized groups of people living together there have been folks going hungry. Its up to those who have food to share with those that don't. Period, the end.
thaas right. we give it the ol' one-two punch. meantimes, i'm eating on this ere pot o' kale and smoked pork jowls--yesterday, today, an' lookin like maybe tomorrow too. oh, and that's a big 'yum'....
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You can acknowledge probable causes while still treating the symptoms. It is not a case of one or the other here.

For as long as there have been organized groups of people living together there have been folks going hungry. Its up to those who have food to share with those that don't. Period, the end.
But that isn't the end. It's only the beginning. To use a metaphor - A tourniquet is essential to stop the bleeding but the ends of the artery have to be sewn together to heal the wound. By all means donate to and work for your local food bank but don't sit back on your laurels and say you've done your bit.

To take one (notorious on both sides of the Atlantic) example - The supermarkets can only sell us that tin of beans for 15 pence because they exploit their employees and by default the employees of their suppliers and, by buying that tin of beans we perpetuate the exploitation of those employees. It's up to us to persuade the supermarket boards and other employers that they need to change.

Try applying your argument to child labour, slavery, capital punishment for trivial offences and the denial of such basic freedoms as universal manhood suffrage, women's suffrage and free education for all. Sitting around saying "Well it's always been like that" didn't repeal the injustices around those and many other historical issues.
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...To take one (notorious on both sides of the Atlantic) example - The supermarkets can only sell us that tin of beans for 15 pence because they exploit their employees and by default the employees of their suppliers and, by buying that tin of beans we perpetuate the exploitation of those employees. It's up to us to persuade the supermarket boards and other employers that they need to change...

You want consumers to tell supermarkets to charge more so factory workers somewhere can get a raise? MC you are looking at this Bass Ackwards! It doesn't work that way. It cannot work that way.

Workers must demand higher wages, then manufacturers raise their prices, then wholesalers raise their prices, supermarkets raise theirs, then consumers complain and pay the higher prices. Think labor unions.
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Yep. Everyone says people should make more money until they themselves have to pay more because of it.
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:54 PM   #69
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Mad Cook, I don't see anyone arguing with you. Everyone agrees that things should change. It's lovely that you feel passionately about this issue but do try to see clearly what folks are saying. Perhaps you could start a thread and tell us who you've spoken to and what things you're doing with your local grocery to give us all a boost.

I'm personally of the opinion that I will be of best help to those folk going hungry in my own neighbourhood and I feed them. I'm a hands on kind of girl and I look after those in need who are near me. I'll be happy to leave the long distance organizing to someone better at it.
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By all means donate to and work for your local food bank but don't sit back on your laurels and say you've done your bit.

The supermarkets can only sell us that tin of beans for 15 pence because they exploit their employees and by default the employees of their suppliers

Sitting around saying "Well it's always been like that" didn't repeal the injustices around those and many other historical issues.
a)i don't only work at the food bank & sit back on my laurels.i also work as a "civilian" liaison volunteer with the inner city mental healthcare trust.a lot of mental health issues are caused by substance abuse which in turn is precipitated by the awful conditions people have to contend with in our inner cities.the cost of the addiction means many don't eat.mine is a "hands on role"so don't dream of lecturing me on the causes of hardship or the solutions until you have seen the things that i see,go to the places that i go to or do the things that i have to do.
b)the supermarkets operate in a massively competitive market place.they also operate on tiny margins,industry average is between 4 & 5%.one of the reasons for that tight margin is that they have to run "loss leaders" to attract shoppers & the other reason is that a lot of their stock hits the shelves at net cost to churn cash.so that 15p tin of beans may well have cost that supermarket 20p.i know a lot of supermarket employees from senior management down.they are not exploited in my experience.of course everyone would like to earn more but the reality is that when you take into account staff discount schemes(my company is a discount service provider),uniforms so you don't have to buy clothes for work,subsidised canteens etc,most would say they do ok.
c)your final point just confirms what i said in my original reply,that you are missing the point & persist on said course.once & for all NOT ONE PERSON HAS SAID "WELL IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT" we have all said we know it is a problem that has been decades in the making & will probably take an equally long time to rectify and that action is starting to be taken.IN THE MEANTIME WE ALL HAVE A DUTY TO THOSE LESS FORTUNATE & THAT CERTAIN ACTIONS CAN BE TAKEN TO HELP ALLEVIATE THEIR MISERY...NOW!.now do you understand?
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