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Old 07-26-2007, 03:27 PM   #11
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Most people I know were raised under the mantra "clean your plate!" However, as our activity level has gone down, this philosophy still hasn't changed. It's hard to break out of lifelong eating habits.

I don't think anybody was slamming the restaurant industry for serving larger portions, I think they were just offering that up as one of the many reasons why our nation is becoming more and more overweight every year.
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Old 07-26-2007, 03:37 PM   #12
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Oooooooooooooo! Larger Portions! Thanks for mentioning that GB. My personal pet peeve is the size of a slab of beef folks seem to require these days. A correct serving size of say steak is about the size of a deck of cards. I don't know about you, but seeing 16oz slabs of beef on a menu is a bit excessive IMO. Don't get me wrong here...I have on occasion polished off one of those bad boys, but I don't make a regular habit of it.
not only a slab ov beef, Alix, but also a plate of pasta. Since when did a POUND of pasta become just 4 servings? (and would you believe TWO? That's about 4 times the amount you'd get in Italy, where a serving is more like 2 ounces!
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My standard position on this matter is that we are all exercising free will when we make the choices we make about food. If we really want to be thinner, all we have to do is consume fewer calories than we burn up in our daily activities.

It's convenient to blame fast food restaurants, or snack manufacturers or the prevalence of sugar or HFCS or fat in our diets. The truth is, unless someone is holding a gun to your head, you get to choose how much and what you eat.
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Old 07-26-2007, 03:47 PM   #14
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It's also convenient to say that a person's environment shouldn't matter when it comes to losing weight, but when those with little education are surrounded by bad choices, how can they really be expected to make any good ones, much less know which choices are good or bad?

I agree that those who have enough education and money to make responsible choices are completely responsible for whatever predicament they're in health-wise. However, people who don't have much time, money, or education are in a much more difficult spot. Trying to ignore the environment that has facilitated their poor health is like saying poor people are only poor because they want to be.
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Old 07-26-2007, 04:06 PM   #15
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It's also convenient to say that a person's environment shouldn't matter when it comes to losing weight, but when those with little education are surrounded by bad choices, how can they really be expected to make any good ones, much less know which choices are good or bad?

I agree that those who have enough education and money to make responsible choices are completely responsible for whatever predicament they're in health-wise. However, people who don't have much time, money, or education are in a much more difficult spot. Trying to ignore the environment that has facilitated their poor health is like saying poor people are only poor because they want to be.
That has little to do with it. Whether you're poor or rich, you can be overweight. Whether you're poor or rich you can be an alcoholic. Whether you're poor or rich, you can be addicted to crystal meth. Trans fat is not a drug, but if you switch out fast foods and large portions with alcohol or ice then you can make the same arguments that someone with a substance abuse problem has. No matter what, it all comes down to excuses, denial, and acceptance vs. delusion. So what if you're less educated? If you want to lose weight and eat healthier, you can still do it. Saying that money and environment is a factor is just another excuse. Are you saying that the fruit, veggie, and low fat foods sections in the supermarket is only available to those with a higher income? Are the healthier choice items (yes, there are some even at fast food restaurants) are only available to those with a higher income? It all comes down to the individual.

There are resources out there which doesn't cost money that people can use if they really want to. And you know what? Maybe some people just don't want to. That's fine, that's their problem. But to use excuses to justify why? Again, replace food with something like alcohol and it's practically the same argument.
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Old 07-26-2007, 04:12 PM   #16
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And like with studies regarding drug use and alcoholism, obesity seems to affect the poor and less educated more than the rich and well educated. I wonder why that might be?

Using the logic you have given, a crack dealer is doing nothing wrong. The only person who has a problem is the person who buys the crack. Replace crack with food and your argument seems to be the same. Granted, food is not addictive like crack, but it is required to live, so maybe it's a litle addictive.

[edited to add] Just to keep this on topic, the post is about why obesity seems to be concentrated in the populations listed. Are you hypothesizing that there are more people with no willpower in the affected groups? [\edit]
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And like with studies regarding drug use and alcoholism, obesity seems to affect the poor and less educated more than the rich and well educated. I wonder why that might be?

Using the logic you have given, a crack dealer is doing nothing wrong. The only person who has a problem is the person who buys the crack. Replace crack with food and your argument seems to be the same. Granted, food is not addictive like crack, but it is required to live, so maybe it's a litle addictive.
And again, the whole point is, it's still up to the individual. Stop making excuses and avoiding that.

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And YOU were the one who brought in demographics. I could care less which is why I didn't even bother adressing it in my first post. Yes, demographics plays a part and will make a person more exposed to a certain thing, but it doesn't make them metanlly incapable of making their own decisions.
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Using the logic you have given, a crack dealer is doing nothing wrong. The only person who has a problem is the person who buys the crack. Replace crack with food and your argument seems to be the same. Granted, food is not addictive like crack, but it is required to live, so maybe it's a litle addictive.
If no one buys crack, the dealer canít peddle his wares.

At one time, being overweight or portly was desirable and a sign of wealth.....you could afford lots of food. That has changed these days.....except for the fact that, if youíre poor, you canít afford lots of over-the-top foods and extravagant meals, let alone eating out all the time.

As for education, how much brain power does it take to recognize when youíre full? I canít imagine anyone with an IQ above 30 not knowing there is a very distinct relationship between the amount of food you eat and how much you weigh.
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But this whole post is about the demographics of obesity! How can you say people who are fat just lack willpower and make bad choices on purpose when the statistics are so lop sided towards particular groups?
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[quote=keltin]If no one buys crack, the dealer canít peddle his wares.
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At least someone can avoid buying crack

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At one time, being overweight or portly was desirable and a sign of wealth.....you could afford lots of food. That has changed these days.....except for the fact that, if youíre poor, you canít afford lots of over-the-top foods and extravagant meals, let alone eating out all the time.

As for education, how much brain power does it take to recognize when youíre full? I canít imagine anyone with an IQ above 30 not knowing there is a very distinct relationship between the amount of food you eat and how much you weigh.

It takes about 20 minutes for your brain to catch up with your stomach. By the time you feel the "I'm full" sensation, you've been full for a while. If obese people wait until they feel full, they won't lose weight because their body will want to maintain its current weight.
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