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Old 07-26-2007, 04:58 PM   #31
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I don't believe that. How is a decision to not overeat NOT available to someone based on their income or residence?
It depends on whether or not they know what constitutes overeating. For example, what about children who are encouraged to eat more than what they ought to by their parents? How about when adults' metabolism slows down, are they supposed to know exactly how much to cut down on their eating without help?
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:01 PM   #32
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It would also suggest that poor and uneducated people have no responsibility or choice to the matter.
I have never stated that. However, you have somehow latched onto the idea that I have been touting this throught the whole thread. All I have been doing is suggesting why some groups are more affected by obesity than others.
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:03 PM   #33
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Overfeeding children is another topic. The free choices of adults often don;t apply to children. They have to do as they are told.

Whether your metabolism slows down or not, the thought process is not complex.

"I used to be able to eat this much food and not get fat. Something has changed and not I get fat. I'd better eat less."
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:04 PM   #34
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My point is that you can say it comes down to individual responsibility all you want, but the statistics suggest that people in those demographic groups are required to have more willpower and desire to seek out healthy choices because they have fewer available to them.
Other than the stats in the first post (of which there is no citing), show me an offical chart of some sort that supports your claims. Not one done by a newspaper or magazine, but one conducted by the CDC or US or State Health Deparment, or a reputable source. Many "studies" only show what the person(s) conducting the study wants to convey.
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:08 PM   #35
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Overfeeding children is another topic. The free choices of adults often don;t apply to children. They have to do as they are told.
But this also affects how those children eat later in life, so it is relevant. Also, there was a statistic about children in the first post.

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Whether your metabolism slows down or not, the thought process is not complex.

"I used to be able to eat this much food and not get fat. Something has changed and not I get fat. I'd better eat less."
And there is nothing that keeps people from realizing that. The statistics, however, suggest that it doesn't happen as often in some groups.
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Here's a statistic for you taken from the following site:

Obesity rising in all income levels, especially among the rich

National Income-Obesity Statistics

Here are the income-obesity statistics for 1971-1974:
  • Less than $25,000: 22.5% obese
  • $25,000-$40,000: 16.1% obese
  • $40,000-$60,000: 14.5% obese
  • More than $60,000: 9.7% obese
Here are the results for 2001-2002:
  • Less than $25,000: 32.5% obese
  • $25,000-$40,000: 31.3% obese
  • $40,000-$60,000: 30.3% obese
  • More than $60,000: 26.8% obese
Here's how much obesity increased in each category:
  • Less than $25,000: increase of 144%
  • $25,000-$40,000: increase of 194%
  • $40,000-$60,000: increase of 209%
  • More than $60,000: increase of 276%
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:11 PM   #37
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Those are some pretty sobering statistics black chef. Where did you find this info? I always like to know the source of this kind of stuff. Thanks!
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It depends on whether or not they know what constitutes overeating. For example, what about children who are encouraged to eat more than what they ought to by their parents? How about when adults' metabolism slows down, are they supposed to know exactly how much to cut down on their eating without help?
As I said before, becoming obese doesn’t happen instantly overnight. It’s not like popping a balloon, but is instead like filling a balloon. It takes “work” to do so. It takes sustained and prolonged overeating to become obese. No matter your level of income or education, you know when you are “putting on a few pounds”. A few pounds is one thing, but from there you have to put on many more to be “fat”, and even more to be considered obese.

Even if your metabolism slows down, you still recognize when your “putting on some weight”. And when you notice this (and it doesn’t happen over night) you have the choice of letting it go unchecked, or you can do something about it. Again, I don’t think there are many people out there that don’t understand the relationship between how much you eat and how much you weigh.

One of the biggest problems is eating habits. Most people, even the ones that aren’t obese, eat too quickly. If everyone slowed down in the eating, they’d taste more, enjoy the food more, and eat less. Also, as it’s been said, you should never eat for time or tongue......always eat for the tummy. If you only eat when you are truly hungry, and then eat slowly, you can better control your weight. But a lot of people have gotten into the habit of eating because “it’s time”.

Think about this........If an overweight person would eat only with chop-sticks for a month, they would lose weight. Why? Because you eat slower with chopsticks. It takes co-ordination to use chop-sticks, and even if you’re good with them, you can’t shovel mountains of food into your mouth with each bite like you can with a spoon or fork. Thus, each bite is smaller, you eat slower, and realize you’re full sooner meaning you eat less.
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:14 PM   #39
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Other than the stats in the first post (of which there is not citing), show me an offical chart of some sort that supports your claims. Not one done by a newspaper or magazine, but one conducted by the CDC or US or State Health Deparments. Many "studies" only show what the person(s) conducting the study wants to convey.
I did a research project as an undergraduate geography student studying the spatial distribution of supermarkets in Austin, Texas. This is a pretty good web site too:

www.fooddeserts.org

The web site is for the UK, but it contains several studies. I'll do some research and come back to post links. You're right though, the OP should have given a link.
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Overfeeding children is another topic. The free choices of adults often don;t apply to children. They have to do as they are told.

Whether your metabolism slows down or not, the thought process is not complex.

"I used to be able to eat this much food and not get fat. Something has changed and not I get fat. I'd better eat less."
Well said! Why did it take me so many words to say basically the same thing??? Dang, I've got an over-wording problem!
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