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Old 07-18-2007, 02:25 PM   #61
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Here's what the ADA (American Dietetic Association) has to say:

http://www.eatright.org/ada/files/FRUCTOSE.pdf
No. this article is about Fructose, and not High Fructose Corn Syrup. They are not the same.
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Old 07-18-2007, 02:39 PM   #62
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No. this article is about Fructose, and not High Fructose Corn Syrup. They are not the same.
Read about halfway through the article until you get to the section on the safety of fructose; it discusses HFCS.

Here it is copied:
Is fructose safe?
The safety of fructose, both crystalline fructose
and high-fructose corn syrup, has been thoroughly
and consistently documented in authoritative
scientific reviews conducted over the past 25 years.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
concluded, “High fructose [corn] syrup is as safe
for use in food as sucrose, corn sugar, corn syrup
and invert sugar.” An International Life Sciences
Institute (ILSI) Expert Panel concluded, “Fructose
is a valuable, traditional source of food energy, and
there is no basis for recommending increases or
decreases in its use in the general food supply or in
special dietary use products.”
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Old 07-18-2007, 04:48 PM   #63
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Read about halfway through the article until you get to the section on the safety of fructose; it discusses HFCS.

Here it is copied:



Is fructose safe?






The safety of fructose, both crystalline fructose



and high-fructose corn syrup, has been thoroughly
and consistently documented in authoritative
scientific reviews conducted over the past 25 years.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
concluded, “High fructose [corn] syrup is as safe
for use in food as sucrose, corn sugar, corn syrup
and invert sugar.” An International Life Sciences
Institute (ILSI) Expert Panel concluded, “Fructose
is a valuable, traditional source of food energy, and
there is no basis for recommending increases or
decreases in its use in the general food supply or in
special dietary use products.”
If you believe that, I have a bridge I will sell you! There are lots of independent groups, including AARP and Center for Science in the Public Interest, that have uncovered terrible consequences of ingesting HFCS.

YOU go ahead and eat that stuff if you want to, at your own risk. It has been proven to be one of the causes of childhood obesity in this country, and a major problem re: Type 2 Diabetes.

But if the government says its okay, I guess so and we are also winning the war in Iraq. NOT!

Oh, and thank you for printing that in Bold and huge font. I can read very well. I have been studying this problem for years. and it HAS been a problem for years.

Sorry Mods... if you consider this a detrimental rant, I'll understand if you have to delete it. But if you do, please also remove that screaming post just above it.

Thanks.
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:12 PM   #64
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I don’t think soapgirl posted that as a screaming bit of text....I’m pretty sure it was just a cut-n-paste thing. It happens to me all the time when I type a post offline in Word and then post it here. Formatting gets fried, so occasionally, I’ll use Notepad (which ignores formatting) to defeat any weird formatting issue with a cut-n-paste. Or, just do it the old fashioned way and use the font adjuster in the advanced posting option here at DC.

Anywho, here is a direct cut-n-paste from the PDF that soapgirl pasted from. I didn’t change the font at all, and see how it comes out:





Is fructose safe?
The safety of fructose, both crystalline fructose


Yep, it’s big.......it has something to do with translating a cut-n-paste to the Verdana font and font sizes that the DC board uses
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:18 PM   #65
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Oh, and thank you for printing that in Bold and huge font. I can read very well. I have been studying this problem for years. and it HAS been a problem for years.
I am sincerely sorry if you found the size of the quote offensive. I was not implying anything; it is exactly how I cut and pasted it from the ADA site.

I belive that the ADA is a credible source of information (and I do admit bias, as I am about to become an RD soon). They didn't base their position on HFCS solely on FDA's statements, but on peer-reviewed journal articles and other studies.

Based on personal experience, and monthly visits to a registered dietician/ diabetes educator (I have type 1), my RD recommends avoiding foods with refined sugars and HFCS, but not because it is poison, because the foods are generally highly processed and of little nutritional value. That would be sensible advice for anyone; however, I do think that HFCS and white sugar have been demonized. Inclusion of HFCS in moderation, in an otherwise balanced and healthy diet is not especially problematic.

The problem with most of the HFCS foods is that they are highly processed and devoid of fiber and essential nutrients and tend to be high calorie or high fat foods (sugar cereals, pastries, fruit drinks). Certainly a diet consisting of those types of foods on a regular basis is not healthy for anyone and I would not advise it.

What I do oppose is the tendency to dichotomize foods into good/evil categories. Anyting eaten in excess can be problematic. Most foods consumed in moderation are perfectly fine.
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:20 PM   #66
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Okay, here I am psoting a link to a site that lists common foods made with HFCS:


Accidental Hedonist - Foods and Products Containing High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS)

Most of the foods on the lists are pop-tarts, cookies, candy, ice cream, and crackers. Maybe it is the foods we are consuming and not the HFCS? Just a thought. I doubt that all of these foods made with refined sugar, honey, or any other sweetener would be health foods. And, is a pop-tart really a food, anyway?

I also wanted to add that I am new here and don't want to come off as rude or snide to anyone (screaming font), but I am very interested in foods and the obesity/diabetes epidemic. I think it would be fair to say that 90% of the foods on that list are so processed they are not even real foods anymore and should be avoided. They have no nutritional value and are high calorie/fat items; however, an occasional treat should not be denied because of the presence of HFCS. The value of the food as a whole needs to be considered and these foods have no place as the dietary staples of some of our youth.

Additionally, here is an article, written by a member of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, that supports my theory that it is the increased consumption of soft drinks, regardless of sweeteners that are to blame for the rise in obesity.
High-fructose corn syrup and the obesity epidemic -- Jacobson 80 (4): 1081 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

Furthermore, I searched the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition for studies relating to HFCS. Nutritional analysis reveals that HFCS has roughly a 50/50 ratio of fructorse to glucose, the same as sucrose (table sugar). Studies revealed mixed results of the influence of high fructose consumption in subjects. One study even revealed that a high fructose diet improved glucose tolerance in diabetics. There were indications that fructose raised levels of certian triaglycerols in the blood of humans, and that in rats, combined with a high-fat diet, copper deficiency resulted. None of the studies I found had more than 25 subjects and no correlation between copper deficiency and fructose was found in humans.

Basically, there is no hard and fast research that would define HFCS in itself to be detrimental to the human diet; it is a calorically dense product and the addition of HFCS to foods and soft drinks leads to overconsumption of calories as a whole.

A quote from another AJCN article:
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calorically sweetened beverages may enhance caloric overconsumption. Thus, the increase in consumption of HFCS has a temporal relation to the epidemic of obesity, and the overconsumption of HFCS in calorically sweetened beverages may play a role in the epidemic of obesity
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Inclusion of HFCS in moderation, in an otherwise balanced and healthy diet is not especially problematic.
and therein lies one of the major problems with HFCS.... it's in everything, from frozen dinners, to popcorn, to spaghetti sauce, to mayonnaise, to soups, to yogurt, to..... I could go on for hours. It's in literally every prepared food. One has to read ingredient lists assiduously in order to avoid it, and it is very difficult to..

There's a tablespoon of corn syrup in every tablespoon of Ketchup! Almost every American I know eats lots of Heinz Ketchup!

Just one example other than soda....
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From CSPI:
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Though not any better or worse nutritionally than plain table sugar, high fructose corn syrup is spawned from a complex, multistep industrial process by which starch is extracted from corn and converted with acids or enzymes into glucose and fructose.
From what I gathered on the website, CSPI is primarily against HFCS because it is made from GMO corn and manufactured using GM bacteria(biotechnology), not for nutritional reasons; however, it may be a consideration for environmentally conscious consumers.

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There's a tablespoon of corn syrup in every tablespoon of Ketchup! Almost every American I know eats lots of Heinz Ketchup!
Maybe it's not the ketchup that is the problem? What if it is the foods we eat with the ketchup?
- burgers
- fries
- hot dogs

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and therein lies one of the major problems with HFCS.... it's in everything, from frozen dinners, to popcorn, to spaghetti sauce, to mayonnaise, to soups, to yogurt, to..... I could go on for hours. It's in literally every prepared food. One has to read ingredient lists assiduously in order to avoid it, and it is very difficult to..
Take HFCS out of packaged foods and they are for the most part, still unhealthy foods. In the list I posted previously of the common foods containing HFCS, few of them would be of any nutritional value if the HFCS were removed. These processed foods would still be loaded with sodium, fats, and preservatives.

The whole point I am trying to make is that society shouldn't take 1 ingredient and demonize it as the cause for obesity and disease. A more common sense approach would be for Americans to reduce the amounts of processed foods, fast foods, and high calorie drinks from their diets.
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The whole point I am trying to make is that society shouldn't take 1 ingredient and demonize it as the cause for obesity and disease.
Then please expalin why the obesity rate in the United States has risen expotentially, and the dramatic increase in the accompanying diseases such as heart disease, type II diabetes, and hypertension, correlates with the advent of HFCS replacing sugar in most commercial products.

HFCS is so bad for you that the U.S. Food & Drug Administration won't even establish a maximum allowable consumption quantity for it.
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Um Caine? I think there are MANY reasons to explain this other than HFCS:

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Then please expalin why the obesity rate in the United States has risen expotentially, and the dramatic increase in the accompanying diseases such as heart disease, type II diabetes, and hypertension, correlates with the advent of HFCS replacing sugar in most commercial products.


I could start commenting on societal changes and how kids are less active, video games, urban vs rural demographics, I could even point to a CHAIR LIFT in a water park in Florida so folks wouldn't need to climb all those stairs and get tired out before going down a water slide. The obesity rate cannot be blamed solely on HFCS. It may be a contributing factor in some cases, but you can't demonize (nice term soapgirl, tx) it as being the lone factor.

Caine, your passion for health comes through very clearly.

Soapgirl, please don't feel hammered here. Your contribution is very welcome.
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