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Old 02-27-2011, 08:29 PM   #91
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You're making several leaps of logic to come to your conclusion. Again, there is not one credible study that is considered conclusive or the gold standard in this area that specifies that MSG in its form or in its breakdown causes any harm whatsoever, including causing a rise in insulin.

And yes, I pretty much knew that my wiki link would elicit the exact reaction you had. That's a shame because it refers to and analyzes the most prevalent studies conducted to date.

After doing some reading it appears the accepted standard is a tripling of plasma insulin from MSG. While wikipedia might not agree, the American Physioligical Society does, amongst others.

Injecting of lab rats and mice with MSG appears to also be able to induce obesity (because of insulin levels), and seems to be the accepted practice for this.

I will admit I am not trained as a biologist. If you have formal credentials then I will, of course, have to accede to your expertise in this.
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Kathleen, I understand quite well. You cannot point me to a scientifically proven, credible, and accepted study that definitively demonstrates that the additive MSG as produced and used as a flavor enhancer increases insulin to a degree that would be dangerous for diabetics.

The sites that I have checked out are pure junk science and fear-mongering and have MSG causing everything from headaches to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and ALS.

Certainly, the jury is not out. We may learn more in the future. Here (link) is the most comprehensive page I can find that doesn't use inflammatory language and that actually cites studies.
Thing about science, it is always evolving.

Let me put it this way, if certain people had car problems because an additive in the gas caused their car to run poorly and was causing possible damage, would you keep putting that gas in your car when there was an alternative that is not known to cause the same problems?

So why are people so willing to put suspect additives in their bodies?
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Thing about science, it is always evolving.

Let me put it this way, if certain people had car problems because an additive in the gas caused their car to run poorly and was causing possible damage, would you keep putting that gas in your car when there was an alternative that is not known to cause the same problems?

So why are people so willing to put suspect additives in their bodies?

But what if that car had problems with the gas because there was something wrong with the car and not the gas? Should I still stop using it?
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But what if that car had problems with the gas because there was something wrong with the car and not the gas? Should I still stop using it?
Either you are missing my point, or you are trying to get a rise out of me.
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Thing about science, it is always evolving.

Let me put it this way, if certain people had car problems because an additive in the gas caused their car to run poorly and was causing possible damage, would you keep putting that gas in your car when there was an alternative that is not known to cause the same problems?

So why are people so willing to put suspect additives in their bodies?
In no case am I saying that MSG is not safe nor have I said that it is harmful. (Unless a person has a sensitivity to it - then it is harmful to that one person.) Really, a person would have to work hard to eat food without sodium and glutamate in it. Tomatoes have it. MILK has it. (Human breast milk has 10X more than cow milk, for example.) One's body does not react any differently to MSG's breakdown into sodium and glutamate than that which occurs naturally - but our bodies react to glutamate (and it reacts to sodium).

The controversy and questions come in about the balance within a body. Does it add too much? No one knows. What they do know is what glutamate (and sodium) do within an organism. The real question is how much is too much. Too much of anything...even oxygen...can be harmful,


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It's like the electronic version of do as I say, not as I do.
I know, but we are not all to teleconferencing yet!
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In no case am I saying that MSG is not safe nor have I said that it is harmful. (Unless a person has a sensitivity to it - then it is harmful to that one person.) Really, a person would have to work hard to eat food without sodium and glutamate in it. Tomatoes have it. MILK has it. (Human breast milk has 10X more than cow milk, for example.) One's body does not react any differently to MSG's breakdown into sodium and glutamate than that which occurs naturally - but our bodies react to glutamate (and it reacts to sodium).

The controversy and questions come in about the balance within a body. Does it add too much? No one knows. What they do know is what glutamate (and sodium) do within an organism. The real question is how much is too much. Too much of anything...even oxygen...can be harmful,




I know, but we are not all to teleconferencing yet!
I completely agree. It is my opinion that these things naturally occurring in foods are harmless and are at proper levels for our bodies to process them. It is when we engineer these things and they are no longer in their natural form, then added to foods where they become suspect to me. These engineered sodium and glutamates, may be processed by the body differently, we just cannot be sure, so to me they are suspect.

Salt is something that the body needs to function, heavily processed foods with a lot of sodium added to them are harmful to the body, almost everyone can agree about this. Salt is fairly harmless, but when consumed in excess it is bad.
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Either you are missing my point, or you are trying to get a rise out of me.
Neither, I'm making a point of my own.

Because one person has a sensitivity to a food additive or any type of drug, food or whatever, does not mean it's generally harmful to all humans. It means that some people cannot tolerate it.
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Neither, I'm making a point of my own.

Because one person has a sensitivity to a food additive or any type of drug, food or whatever, does not mean it's generally harmful to all humans. It means that some people cannot tolerate it.
But... it is clearly obvious from this thread that there is more than one person sensitive to this food additive.

Because you don't show symptoms, does not mean that it is not harmful. I am not making a definitive statement that MSG is bad, I just don't know, but to me it is suspect, and I am close to someone who is sensitive to it.

Because some people react badly to it, and there is some evidence that it could be harmful, I will avoid it. If you are convinced that it is harmless then you are welcome to consume all that you want. At this time there is no right or wrong on this subject, just opinions.
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Holy Mackerel!!! You mean I would feel worse and my skin would look worse if I used processed foods? Woe is me.


It may seem like a no brainer to you and me, but I know so many people who drink Mountain Dew and eat fried chicken all day and can't figure out why they feel like crap.
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It may seem like a no brainer to you and me, but I know so many people who drink Mountain Dew and eat fried chicken all day and can't figure out why they feel like crap.
What a coincidence. The only time I drink Mountain Dew is when I visit KFC. They just seem to go together
That's only about 1x/year though.
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