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Old 10-23-2006, 12:12 PM   #21
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Is there some reason you can only take ONE food type? Couldn't you make some really good trail mix to cover the fruit/grain/dairy portion of your diet and then carry some jerky to cover the meat eaters?
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Old 10-23-2006, 08:15 PM   #22
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Sorry I can't respond to everyone, but I have read everyone's posts. Sometimes it's hard to have a meaninful discussion about over a forum.

I'll look into the suggestions people have made, thanks for the proffesional opinions. I'm starting to think this is more a project for an industrial food processing specialist or something, though.... And that it might not be practical in a home kitchen? I also see some people don't like the idea of just one food replacing the usual cooking/food. Maybe they recognise this as a distopic culture shift?:)

There's haute cuisine, and this is just the other end of the spectrum, I still think it has it's niche too.

Think Genghis. No luxuries, One coat. One food. One empire.

I can appreciate those who don't think a one food is worth it, but my friends and I still think it would be useful, or at the very least kinda cool. Also, if for other reasons, so do some folks who posted on the metafilter discussion I have linked to.
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Old 10-23-2006, 08:28 PM   #23
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I don't think you have ever said EXACTLY why your friends AND you need to have this one size fits all foodstuff for ample nutrition.
Would you please tell us that. It will undoubtedly help.
AND for what time will this OSFA food need to be eaten? Days, weeks, months? All the time, some of the time, once in a while?
Some of us, including me, have assumed it was for camping because that is what it sounded like. I think this is incorrect.
SO, we really need to know a bit more of the context of this food need in order to help you realistically.
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Old 10-23-2006, 08:30 PM   #24
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I think some of the problem with keeping up with replies is that you posted the same thing at least 5 times. Even back in Genghis' time (holds true for most any very early people), they did have more than "one food" to sustain them on a trip; usually a dried meat (jerky of some sort), a sort of bread (whether it resembles a tortilla, pita, flat bread, biscuit of some sort,whatever you want to call it; they did usually have it)and at least water. Plus they were good at gathering seeds/veggies/fruits where ever they camped for the night. With just these few things they could and did make sustaining broths/soups/mush. I really do think that you need to rethink this or at least research what has already been developed by NASA, armed forces, etc.
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Old 10-23-2006, 08:33 PM   #25
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No offense, sounds like "greull". I can't quite see how a liquified mush is gonna be palateable, unless it is through a tube.


There is a LARGE variety of low impact, low pack, low prep, HIGHLY tasty camp food. Don't "blenderize" things...if that is what they want, pack some ensure for every meal.
I have found out about ensure, but it's too expensive, plus it's not made of real food. The trouble with all these premade things is they cost a small fortune..... MREs would work out to 21 USD per day, plus shipping, otherwise, yeah, they'd be great. Ensure for example, even if we could carry it is about 19$ per day, and it contains excessive amounts of some nutrients (I'm perplexed as to why they do that.) Like manganese, which can cause brain damage.

I don't have to "blenderize" things, that's just what I first tried, being at a loss for how else to start about it.
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Old 10-23-2006, 08:38 PM   #26
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OK, I get your idea about having one food to carry etc. However, there is no way something with ground meat and the other things you are putting together are going to work. It is just flat out icky.

Since you appear to be looking at covering all the food groups why don't you look at alternative forms of protein? There are vegans who live quite happily without meat of any kind. This would work much better for your food bar or whatever the heck you want to call your creation. Try tofu, or nuts or legumes to get the desired protein. If you do a bit of research I think you can have some success.

Try, almonds, oats, milk powder, dried fruit and a binder. That would be a good start.
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Old 10-23-2006, 08:44 PM   #27
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I think some of the problem with keeping up with replies is that you posted the same thing at least 5 times. Even back in Genghis' time (holds true for most any very early people), they did have more than "one food" to sustain them on a trip; usually a dried meat (jerky of some sort), a sort of bread (whether it resembles a tortilla, pita, flat bread, biscuit of some sort,whatever you want to call it; they did usually have it)and at least water. Plus they were good at gathering seeds/veggies/fruits where ever they camped for the night. With just these few things they could and did make sustaining broths/soups/mush. I really do think that you need to rethink this or at least research what has already been developed by NASA, armed forces, etc.
Sorry, I originally posted these things only once on different threads, but an admin merged them into one thread. So that seems to be causing some confusion, but maybe it's better to have the discussion in one place. I have also looked into things NASA does (not really appropriat for my situation, but interesting nonetheless) and the military - for the most part they used hydrated canned foods like C rations (a possibility) MREs, and freeze dried foods (way too expensive).

What I said about Genghis Khan is from a quote from (reportedly) him:

Heaven has abandoned China owing to its haughtiness and extravagant luxury. But I, living in the northern wilderness, have not inordinate passions. I hate luxury and exercise moderation. I have only one coat and one food. I eat the same food and am dressed in the same tatters as my humble herdsmen. I consider the people my children, and take an interest in talented men as if they were my brothers. We always agree in our principles, and we are always united by mutual affection. At military exercises I am always in front, and in time of battle am never behind. In the space of seven years I have succeeded in accomplishing a great work, and uniting the whole world in one empire. - Ghenghis Khan

So, I wouldn't want heaven abandoning us, now would I? Especially out in the middle of nowhere. And we're a bunch of destute students, in Canada (read: northern wilderness), so it fits perfectly....
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Old 10-23-2006, 08:54 PM   #28
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Ottawa is far from a northern wilderness.

I realize you are having a tough time keeping up with all the replies in this thread, but I would be interested in hearing your comments about using an alternative protein source in your "creation".
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I don't think you have ever said EXACTLY why your friends AND you need to have this one size fits all foodstuff for ample nutrition....
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I just need something, anything, that's cheap and includes what the FDA recommends for a day's food intake. About 3300 cal. If it's bulky I can dehydrate it, it just should be a OSFA food (if I may use your terminology). I think I can get access to a vacuum pump. A bar of some kind, I must admit, though, would be ideal, I suppose I just subconciously ruled that out as being too difficult, but maybe it's not?
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Old 10-23-2006, 09:03 PM   #30
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I still want to know what and where this concoction is going to be used.

I have also looked into things NASA does (not really appropriat for my situation, but interesting nonetheless)

And what is this "situation".
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