"Discover Cooking, Discuss Life."

Go Back   Discuss Cooking - Cooking Forums > General Cooking Information > Health, Nutrition and Special Diets
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 10-23-2006, 09:06 PM   #31
Assistant Cook
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gretchen
I still want to know what and where this concoction is going to be used.

I have also looked into things NASA does (not really appropriat for my situation, but interesting nonetheless)

And what is this "situation".
Cross country ski camping type stuff. It's all in preliminary planning still, and how long we stay etc. will depend many factors, including what kind of food we can come up with. Anything to get out of the city for a couple of weeks, really.
__________________

__________________
ntbsnthlrchn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2006, 09:42 PM   #32
Assistant Cook
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alix
Ottawa is far from a northern wilderness.

I realize you are having a tough time keeping up with all the replies in this thread, but I would be interested in hearing your comments about using an alternative protein source in your "creation".
I'm just kidding about the wilderness :D . All of Canada's a wilderness compared to some countries. Ah, I see you're in edmonton, how did you know where I was? My IP?

Well okay, if you're interested, here you go (I haven't considered taste, only nutrition):

I have looked into it a bit. Actually whey protein concentrate (which is about 70% protein, you can also get whey protein isolate, 95%) is much cheaper than meat by grams of protein, but it doesn't have some of the other good stuff in it meat has e.g. iron. (I suppose I thought about taste a bit here, in a way.... whey concentrate tastes bad, like rotten milk. But, they make it taste good by adding the appropriate flavours and sweeteners? They don't do anything else to the whey protein concentrate, I think, just covering up the flavour. www.proteinfactory.com I actually ordered from once. ) That's mostly what they use in ensure for protein.
Soy is good too, it has some stuff like isoflavones that might not be so great but that's okay.

Lentils, beans, they're all good and would do if they were preffered over meat for some reason. Also if you're sleeping in a tent or small cabin with several other individuals.... Well I couldn't quite overlook that.

Also egg whites and lecithin are relatively inexpensive, but I didn't see any reason not to just use meat, though I could add some beans or something as well. I can afford meat (for which I am grateful), so why not?
__________________

__________________
ntbsnthlrchn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2006, 09:52 PM   #33
Everymom
 
Alix's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Posts: 23,184
Quote:
Originally Posted by ntbsnthlrchn
Also egg whites and lecithin are relatively inexpensive, but I didn't see any reason not to just use meat, though I could add some beans or something as well. I can afford meat (for which I am grateful), so why not?
Well for one thing, meat doesn't work well with the other stuff you have going in there. I'm not sure if you intend this for some future commercial use, but if it is, then you are going to have to consider taste. All you need for nutritional completeness (whoo, excuse the grammar there) are the correct proportions of protein:dairy:veggie:grain. I realize that is simplistic, but its true. However, you can get pretty close to the correct proportions of these things and still have something that tastes pretty good.

If you are really going for lightweight and compact, I can't see how carrying jerky or pemmican would be an issue. Then you could focus your efforts on a lightweight bar with the other ingredients in it. That would be achievable and tasty.

Thanks for answering my question. I wish you luck on your quest, but frankly think that you need to change your basic plan.

Even folks who climb Everest eat stuff that tastes good.
__________________
You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it. Robin Williams
Alix
Alix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2006, 09:54 PM   #34
Everymom
 
Alix's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Posts: 23,184
Quote:
Originally Posted by ntbsnthlrchn
Lentils, beans, they're all good and would do if they were preffered over meat for some reason. Also if you're sleeping in a tent or small cabin with several other individuals.... Well I couldn't quite overlook that.
You're kidding right? LOL! I thought that was part of what made camping attractive to men. Sorry! Just being goofy here.
__________________
You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it. Robin Williams
Alix
Alix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2006, 10:12 PM   #35
Assistant Cook
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alix

If you are really going for lightweight and compact, I can't see how carrying jerky or pemmican would be an issue. Then you could focus your efforts on a lightweight bar with the other ingredients in it. That would be achievable and tasty.
Carrying jerky or pemmican wouldn't be an issue, with ski camping esp.. neither would be any preservation of stuff, it will be frozen. I will indeed consider these things more closely. I seem to have very poor culinary sense, given a list of ingredients, I couldn't judge how it would taste, so I will have to take your word for it, and try it. There you go with the taste thing again!
__________________
ntbsnthlrchn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2006, 03:56 AM   #36
Sous Chef
 
Chef_Jen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Scottish Borders of England
Posts: 516
Send a message via MSN to Chef_Jen Send a message via Yahoo to Chef_Jen
Ok the last 2 of my posts have been ignored.. nevertheless.....

Why not can your own goods or jaryour own goods. You are able to then make lil meals in cans

For your "adventure" I would look at meal replacement bars like ive suggested a few posts back that contain nuts etc.

As for meat the ONLY and im going to say it again ONLY option you have other then canning is JERKY of some sort. that can be reconstituted with some hot water.

Jerky tastes like real meat so there would be no issue in flavour. I think you need to actually go out and try some of this stuff.. I mean youve been given 3 pages of suggestions here you admit your culinary sense isnt very good. Go out get some jerky get some lentils get some dry soup mix follow the recipe i gave you for Flapjacks then report back to us from there..

I see this post going around and around.. Poor alix is gonna loose the plot before the end of this one.

Again my suggestion. Print out this thread highlight the suggestions and go and try it!
__________________
Behind Every Good Woman... Is herself
Chef_Jen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2006, 01:17 AM   #37
Assistant Cook
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chef_Jen
Ok the last 2 of my posts have been ignored.. nevertheless.....

Why not can your own goods or jaryour own goods. You are able to then make lil meals in cans
I have read your other posts. This would be like C rations, like the US army used to use and would okay but not a single substance. Also, I know you didn't know this when you previously posted, but I have since written we're ski camping. So we cross country ski in over large quantities of snow. Everything will be frozen solid, and preservation is a breeze. It's also easier to carry stuff than hiking becaus you can use a sled. So other than having things conveniently portioned, there's not much point in canning.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chef_Jen
For your "adventure" I would look at meal replacement bars like ive suggested a few posts back that contain nuts etc.
Thanks, that is a good suggestion, I've been on (short) trips and eaten such stuff, but again it falls into the traditional line of things, which are good but I've already tried. Also, this is one of those recipes for real chefs.... "Combine correct amounts of each and prepare in the appropriate fashion." :) I'd have no idea how to make this stuff just from an ingredients list. But, don't go out of your way to give me another recipe, I'll find one when/if the time comes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chef_Jen

As for meat the ONLY and im going to say it again ONLY option you have other then canning is JERKY of some sort. that can be reconstituted with some hot water.

Jerky tastes like real meat so there would be no issue in flavour. I think you need to actually go out and try some of this stuff.. I mean youve been given 3 pages of suggestions here you admit your culinary sense isnt very good. Go out get some jerky get some lentils get some dry soup mix follow the recipe i gave you for Flapjacks then report back to us from there..
I already know that would probably work. What I meant by posting this thead was how to make a single complete substance. So while what to bring and pack for a trip is a useful discussion and has it's place, that's NOT what I intended this thread for. Or for alternatives to a single material food. The suggestions have indicated interesting ways to accomplish the stated objective, though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chef_Jen
I see this post going around and around.. Poor alix is gonna loose the plot before the end of this one.

Again my suggestion. Print out this thread highlight the suggestions and go and try it!
Everyone is saying "that won't work, this is better". I also see you've pointed out it's probably not going to happen.... bit I'd like to look into it in some depth, especially now that I see no one else seems to have really considered making such a thing before. I don't beleive it would be impossible. Also, I know something with complete "clinical nutrition" is not too hard to make, but I am shooting for real food.

Sorry if this -edit- post is a bit "off", I'm being intoxicated by electric heater fumes here..... but I think it gets the general idea.
__________________
ntbsnthlrchn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2006, 02:14 AM   #38
Sous Chef
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 665
Well ntbs ... if ever a thread made me hanker after a warm beach, a good hotel with room service, and a fresh cappucino ... this is it.
__________________
XeniA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2006, 02:33 AM   #39
Master Chef
 
Michael in FtW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 6,592
I, personally, would not like to live off of "funky" dehydrated "bars" of "stuff" for 3-meals a day, and snacks, for 1-2 weeks!

If you are going to be on a cross-country ski trip then you will have ample water available (aka: melted snow) for reconstituting dehydrated foods. And, if you're going to be out in the wilderness exerting like you will be doing a cross counrty ski ... you're nutritional requirements will be significantly different from the "sitting on your duff in your office" FDA daily food recommendations.

As for "cookware" - a WW II Army mess kit (or even one from the Boy Scouts) will do each member fine and only weigh about 1-pound.

For vitamins and minerals - they have light weight tablets for that. For cold weather heavy exertion you need carbs, sugar, proteins and calories.

You're "situation" really sounds like a lot of the "student project" questions that we get here. Please forgive us if we sound skeptical - especially since you reject the idea of "NASA" type food.
__________________
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain
Michael in FtW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2006, 02:56 AM   #40
Assistant Cook
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael in FtW
I, personally, would not like to live off of "funky" dehydrated "bars" of "stuff" for 3-meals a day, and snacks, for 1-2 weeks!...
See, people just post alternatives and that's it. I don't care about alternatives. Just how to make something which is this:

Nutritionally complete according to FDA. All real food.

O-3s can be left out.
Most of this thread is me answering why.
__________________

__________________
ntbsnthlrchn is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Discuss Cooking on Facebook

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.