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Old 09-12-2008, 11:27 AM   #51
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I think that even people who can afford the healthier stuff as well as upscale restaurants are still overweight. It all boils down to HOW MUCH you put into your mouth and HOW MUCH you move your body.
Your point is valid...I don't think we're talking about losing weight here though.

I will have to agree with a lot of what was said after me. Alix, I completely agree with everything you have said and can see how I had the totally wrong socio-economic group in my head. Not everyone has working refrigerators, working stoves, working ovens, a car, etc., etc. I'm pretty embarrassed that I didn't see the bigger picture, actually.
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Old 09-12-2008, 11:35 AM   #52
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Having money or not doesn't change what your taste buds like. I'm not a small person but I have a friend who is a big girl she drinks a ton of soda when she came to visit for three days she brought three cases of soda that is a lot of calories for nothing. I had her try my iced green tea with mango 0 calories I love this tea it's very flavorful at least to me, she on the other hand didn't like it one bit and thought it was bland tasting.
She doesn't know how to cook and favors Mc Donalds and yet she is completely aware it's not good for her. She doesn't even know her measurements for cooking. I gave her a book Betty Crockers Fix it Fast this book uses maybe 5-6 ingredients alot of it already cooked such as frozen vegetables and just buying a rotisserie chicken or some meat etc the directions are so simple.
So it seems having money or not if you never ate healthy before or don't know how to cook you are doomed. When I was a kid soda was a once a week treat we didn't even have Kool Aid but man did I crave the stuff. No sweet cereals no chips, cookies etc. We were really poor so if I wanted something sweet I had to make it my self like pound cake or oatmeal cookies. We had oatmeal or Cream of Wheat with canned peaches or apple sauce. Being German my mother had a good handle on what was healthy, of course I thought it sucked cuz I knew all my friends ate Captain Crunch on saturday cartoon morning and I didn't
I think another thing is a lot of people just don't want to listen to kids screaming for a Happy Meal, pizza etc else instead of having a good square meal with vegetables etc. I belive a lot of parent now a days also give their kids too many choices by asking them what they want to eat, most will naturally choose garbage. When I was a kid nobody asked me what I wanted to eat I ate what was put in front of me or I didn't eat. "tough luck" she used to say.
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When I was a kid jpmcgrew, we had soda only when guests came over or occasionally when we went out to eat which was not very often. At home we had water or orange juice. We almost never had cookies or sugary sweets in the house. The only time was when we had a babysitter and my parents would buy things like that for the sitter.
Fast food was a treat we got maybe 4 times a year.

My daughter is one of two kids in her entire school who has never had McDonalds. We see no reason to introduce it to her. We know that we can not keep her from it forever, but she enjoys healthy food right now and that is what we will continue to encourage.

As others have said, it is my opinion that healthy eating can be accomplished for folks who do not have a lot of money. It may not always be easy and it may not happen ever day, but McDonalds every day does not have to be the answer.
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I have read every post in this thread. I must say, that in my opinion, every post has valid points. My take from this, including my own post, is that there are good, healthy foods that are inexpensive. And there are a host of bad foods that are inexpensive also. Likewise, there are good and bad foods that are expensive. I believe that we all can agree that there are a host of factors that create obesity, including, but by no means limited to, genetics, eating what we grew up with (cultural infuences), lack of education concerning nutrition, &/or cooking skills, time constraints, desire to do work, laziness, and don't forget things like emotional cues, the desire to treat oneself, or eat everything on the plate at that restaurant that serves overly large portions (I paid for it and by golly I'm gonna eat it!), availablilty of wholesome foods, etc.

The original question was, does the cost of quality food create obesity in poor people. I would say that it contributes, but qualify that with the observation and knowledge that all good foods are not expensive. But to utilize that good and inexpensive food requires effort, education, and time, not to mention desire to improve. There are those, who if given the education, time, and availability, would improve their eating habits. There are those who won't. In all societies, there are a host of people of every disposition. And often enough, we are our own worst enemies. I used to laugh at the idea of eating all whole grains, and staying away from highly processed and starchy foods, with little nutritional value. Did I do it because I was lazy? No. I wasn't used to eating a healthier diet. Though the diet I lived on while growing up was fairly sound, with lots almost exclusively home cooked meals, I saw nothing wrong with fast food, junk food in moderation (not as moderate as now), and eating as much as I could eat. I was skinny, full of energy, couldn't gain a pound to save my life, and in exceptionally good shape. I was also uneducated about good nutrition and was just learning how to cook.

I would never have given my family bad food intentionally. I loved them far too much. Over the past thirty years, I have grown heavier, and developed diabetes when I hit forty years of age. I guess that's when my nutritional education really started. Before then, I didn't think I needed to know more about food other than how to make it taste great. I know how to make the most deliscious, unhealthy food you can imagine. And once in a great while, I'll still make an ultra-rich desert, or eat a fatty chunk of grilled steak. But those times are the exception now, rather than the rule.

There are no pat answers. There are too many reasons that people gain weight, including medical conditions. Arguing about such a subject is foolishness. After all, the "experts" have been arguing about nutriton as long as I've been alive, and longer. And they still don't have all of the answers.

Seeeeeeya; Goodweed of the North

Well put. I haven't finished reading this thread yet, but here is my .02.
Some comments state buying meat, fruit, fresh veggies sensibly and cheaper. But no one has mentioned the high price of the spices and oils that is needed to make a good meal. The price of the ever precious EVOO is ridiculous. So, yes it is cheaper to buy prepackaged meals, let alone takes less time. I could go on, but will stop here.
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Well put. I haven't finished reading this thread yet, but here is my .02.
Some comments state buying meat, fruit, fresh veggies sensibly and cheaper. But no one has mentioned the high price of the spices and oils that is needed to make a good meal. The price of the ever precious EVOO is ridiculous. So, yes it is cheaper to buy prepackaged meals, let alone takes less time. I could go on, but will stop here.
EVOO and spices are not requirements for cooking though. You can cook just fine with much less expensive oils or fats and spices as simple as salt and pepper.
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This brings us around once again to the education factor.

Has anyone watched the Supernanny episode where the single dad had two young boys? He was TRYING to cook healthy, but had no clue what was going on. His older son was skinny but had some astronomically high cholesterol reading (we measure it differently here, but I think the number was 180 or 280 or something) for a 50 year old and he was only 11. The younger boy was heavy and wanted only crap food.

This dad had a limited budget, but didn't KNOW what to do. They went out to a U Pick place and got to pick their own veggies and fruit and the kids were tickled to try that stuff once they were a part of it. With some help, Dad was able to plan simple healthy meals and stock their pantry with healthier options.

These weren't the poorest folks, but $ was limited. They simply didn't KNOW what to do.

And no argument that there are folks out there with both money and education who still make poor choices. Heck, which one of us doesn't eat a doughnut now and again? Some of us do it for other reasons, some folks are empty emotionally and fill with food. But lets not go there.

Still, when you think you are doing right by your kids by feeding them chicken nuggets (meat), fries (potato), and a milkshake (dairy) its because you don't have all the info.

And I agree, you can eat healthy on a limited budget, but it isn't easy.
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The wording is a bit harsh, but I believe it's not too inaccurate a statement. People with lower incomes will have a harder time presenting a balanced, nutritious meal when vegetables, fish, chicken, beef, bread, eggs, milk, fruit, cheese have seen price increases of over 17% in the past year. If a family of 4 only has a $15 dollar dinner budget, it's a lot easire to hit the dollar menu at McDonalds than it is to prepare a meal hitting all the food groups.
$15 a dinner is $130 a week...and that's just dinner. They still need breakfast and lunch, personal items like tampons, toothpaste, household items like detergent and toilet paper... and before you know it, the food shopping bill can exceed $250 each week.
Unfortunately, I know that many people in the food service industry, working 8 hour days barely bring home more than $400 a week. That doesn't leave a lot for rent/mortgage, utilities, clothing, medical expenses.

A dinner deal is 2 pizzas and a 2-litre coke for $14.99. How can you pass that up? You can get 8 burgers, a couple of fries and some nuggets for $15. Apples cost $2.49 a pound, and you may get 4, but probably 3. A bag of Dorritos on sale is also $2.49, you get less....but most kids want that more.

It's unfortunate, but I believe that financial status plays an important role in weight.

You don't see too many overweight rich kids... They come home from school and participate in sports programs and other activities. All those activities cost money. Kids from struggling families don't have that kind of disposable income, and many schools eliminate or curb physical fitness due to budget cuts.
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Vera, that is a much more accurate picture of what I was trying to say. Thanks.
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Vera,

I agree with you on that but alot of school have the sports and other after school activities for no cost since its in the school budget.

I think alot of it has to do with the fact that there are alot fo 2 income house holds which doesnt allow much time for the kids to be pickedu p from practice or most importantly a ncie heathly well balance meal to be prepared.

after working 8 hours plus commuting time not many parents want to put all the effort into making a meal when they have other faster easier and in their minds cheaper solutions.
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GRK, you are right on many counts but lets remember that we are supposed to be talking about families where there is likely only one income and not a very large one either. Time and energy are definite factors.
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