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Old 09-12-2008, 06:10 PM   #71
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i don't get being 'uneducated'. kiddos attend school, with health class.

& there's an inherant knowledge that double cheeseburgers 'er more health costly than chix. media harps on health issues, especially issues like fast food. it'd be slim pickins to find those who don't really understand that if 'me eats me spinach' you'll be strong & healthy.
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Old 09-12-2008, 06:21 PM   #72
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As a number have said - it is the knowledge of how to cook as the affordability of the food. Over here, a lot of people do not know how to cook at all - it is probably more common in poorer families (particularly 1 parent ones - where the parent(s) are working all hours to try to make some money - they don't have time to teach the children to cook as it is "get home and feed as fast as possible". The children grow up and perpetuate the system as they do not know how to cook nutrtious foods.

I teach cooking at our church school and I want those kids going out with a basic knowledge of how to cook - I have had parents come and thank me as they can't cook and are know learning themselves through the recipes taken home. Our govt is now making it compulsory for all secondary school pupils to learn to cook and have issued a cookbook to help them:
Cooking classes for all teens from 2011 : Directgov - Newsroom

You will however, whatever get people who don't care and will abuse their bodies with the stuff they eat and drink - there are addictive things involved here. I know for me, I try to eat healthily but still love the taste of crisp chicken skin and the taste of fast food burgers - I know it is not good and I try to restict but I still sometimes need to eat them.
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Old 09-13-2008, 01:03 PM   #73
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i don't get being 'uneducated'. kiddos attend school, with health class.

& there's an inherant knowledge that double cheeseburgers 'er more health costly than chix. media harps on health issues, especially issues like fast food. it'd be slim pickins to find those who don't really understand that if 'me eats me spinach' you'll be strong & healthy.

luvs, for YOU those things are inherent, they are not for everyone. You read, but many don't, and the illiteracy rate alone is cause for those things to go unknown by many. And as for kids attending school, well lets just say you can make them be there, you can't make them learn. And frankly its only within the last 10 years (or so) that there has been a mandatory portion of the curriculum dedicated to nutrition. The kids don't buy the food, the parents do, and they didn't have that education. As Vera says the amount of time in gym class is limited. In Canada in the last couple of years they have mandated DAILY exercise of 30-45 minutes per day. (Its actually a weekly number to accomodate the high school semestered system)
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Old 09-13-2008, 08:39 PM   #74
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On another forum I belong to, there is a bit of disagreement....

So what do you think?

Poorer people (in the US) are overweight because the cheaper foods they can afford are all unhealthy?

I strongly disagree, but am surprised that there are a fair number who agree....


(gosh I hope this isn't too polarizing of a subject.)
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People are overweight because they eat too much in relation to the energy they expend. It is a simple equation!

Calories in, more than calories out - you will gain weight. It is as simple and as difficult as that, because what we are talking about is food and we see it in so many different ways - not just in terms of calories but also in terms of family pressures, wanting to be like other "skninnies" or simply eating.

The reality is that few people know how much energy they expend in a day or week and even fewer know how much energy they consumme.

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Old 09-13-2008, 08:48 PM   #75
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luvs, for YOU those things are inherent, they are not for everyone. You read, but many don't, and the illiteracy rate alone is cause for those things to go unknown by many. And as for kids attending school, well lets just say you can make them be there, you can't make them learn. And frankly its only within the last 10 years (or so) that there has been a mandatory portion of the curriculum dedicated to nutrition. The kids don't buy the food, the parents do, and they didn't have that education. As Vera says the amount of time in gym class is limited. In Canada in the last couple of years they have mandated DAILY exercise of 30-45 minutes per day. (Its actually a weekly number to accomodate the high school semestered system)
i get your point,alix. some kids fall thru the cracks & don't have a plethora of education ahead of them. they're simply uneducated.
i just cannot comprehend not understanding that cheeseburgers & stuff aren't healthy if you own a television. popeye taught me.

& i am aware of gym classes being cut; i'm angered by thier cutting gym.
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Hi GrillingFool,

People are overweight because they eat too much in relation to the energy they expend. It is a simple equation!
Hi, Archiduc. It's not always quite that simple: Sleep Stealers: Overweight and overtired: How those excess pounds might be costing your child a good night's sleep - National Sleep Foundation

Just to throw another topic into the mix.
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Just to throw another topic into the mix.
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there, there, elfkins, just look past this it till you see light...
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For people with less money can't afford a lot thigs. Not just food. How about health club, that is part of healthy life style. My mother in law goes to club every day, my wife or I can only dream about something like this.
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I think Fisher's Mom get's it. I have a background in exercise physioloigy, diet, and nutrition - but when I found myself with 2 sons (Jr. High age) and only making $200/week ... we had to make some adjustments to our diets (I made a bad career change choice after my divorce). I cooked as healthy as I could - but sometimes it was a matter of using "meal extenders" (pasta, rice, beans, potatoes, etc.) to fill our bellies. But, that didn't mean we ate poorly.

Of course, when I was tending bar for $2.50/hr (I didn't have the requisite "tip magnet" equipment to get the tips the girls did) and paying $200/wk in child support ... I spent a lot of nights sleeping in my car ... so I was fortunate to get a "hot meal" at McDonalds ... once a day.

Anyway ...

I just did some checking on what the food stamp program might pay for a couple of retired adults, or a single parent with two children. Would you believe $160/month - $40/week - $5.33/day?

So, using all of your culinary knowledge and all of your kitchen equipment and expertise (let's eliminate the poor people are stupid theory) ... and based on the things you can find in a grocery store within walking distance from where you live, on a bus line, or within 3 miles of your home:

What would your menu be for breakfast for 7 days, lunch for 2 days (Sat and Sun), and supper for 7 days for a week on a $40 budget for an adult and 2 children - or 3 meals a day for 2 adults?

Are you aware we have a Budget Friendly Dishes Forum where you can post your "cheap eats" recipes?

FWIW: Gov'mnt cheese and day-old bread makes a good grilled cheese sammy ... nothing wrong with a slice of fried bologna on day-old bread ... a slice of cheese adds flavor and nutrition ...

Food banks don't have the resources for storing fresh produce for more than a day or two ... or fresh/frozen meats, or frozen vegetables ...
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