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Old 11-16-2004, 02:15 PM   #1
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Questions about carbs

I have a pretty good idea of which carbs are "bad", such as white bread, potatoes, pasta, white rice. Can someone tell me what the "good" carbs are? I've heard fruit has carbs but those are good carbs right? I really like potatoes, rice, and pasta. Is it carb healthy to get wheat pasta, brown rice? What about potatoes? Is there a healthy potatoe? I also love cheese, but dislike most of the lowfat versions because they lose flavor and also the texture seems rubbery. Help!

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Old 11-16-2004, 02:26 PM   #2
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roughly put, a good carb is one that takes longer to break down into blood sugar than bad carbs do. whole grains take longer to be metabolised than do processed ones, so whole grains are better for you.

beware of low fat foods too. often, the lack of flavor by removing the fat is replaced by adding sugar and salt to compensate...
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Old 11-16-2004, 03:27 PM   #3
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Well said, Bucky!

There really isn't a pure answer to your question, since a lot of it depends upon your metabolism and certainly any underlying conditions.

However, from a completely benign standpoint complex carbs (that come from whol grains, beans, potatoes and a multitude of vegetables and fruits to an extent) are healthiest because our bodies derrive our major sources of fiber, minerals and vitamins from these sources. The bonus is that they are usually lower in calories.

Simple carbs, such as refined and raw sugars, corn syrup, fruits and even honey, are downright tasty, but offer little in the way of nutritional value, for the most part.

Fat is a bigger culprit in weight gain than carbs usually. Go check out the American Heart Association link below this thread for much more detailed information on the subject.
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Old 11-16-2004, 03:54 PM   #4
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Thanks for your replies Buckytom and Audeo.

Just so you know, I do not believe in diets. My philosophy is that in order to maintain a healthy lifestyle, I should eat whatever I like but in reasonable portions, and exercise, which includes aerobic workouts. I've never had a problem with my weight really, except an extra ten or twenty pounds, which I can easily lose if I exercise and eat correctly. I have purchased a weight set, and will be getting a used exercise bike for the aerobic workout. I have no problem eating just three meals per day, I rarely snack, hardly use any sugar or salt (my preference), dont drink soda or eat junk foods. I used to exercise 5 days per week, but have not for a couple years now because I simply cannot afford the gym fee.

Basically my reason for asking about carbs is because my daughter, age 13, is overweight and now wants to lose about 50 lbs. She weights 200, but is 5'9, so I think 150lbs would be a good weight for her. She has become obsessed about losing weight. She has begun exercising regularly, cutting down on snacking, and eating healthier. She understands this is the best and healthiest way to lose weight, however with children this age, they want immediate results.

Thanks for your help, and the links.
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Old 11-16-2004, 04:32 PM   #5
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Just in case you need a couple more links to walk around through...

Here's the Nutrition and Physical Exercise section of the Centers for Disease Control...

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/index.htm

And here's a link to all of their updated pediatric growth charts that may be of more help, as well.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/about/major/...rts/charts.htm

Good luck, and don't hesitate to holler if you need more information or to know where to get more specific answers.
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amber - I bought the cookbook by Bill Phillips - Eating For Life (he did the Body For Life "diet") - I got some great recipes and it got me thinking in the right direction - my son was on a "health" kick and I would even send him to school with all the right things to eat.

His site also has some good recipes. His recipes still consist of potatoes and such but just not all the time - and his version of mashed potatoes are great! I am also on a kick of caulifower mashed potatoes - but I love cauliflower.

I have not followed the eating plan for awhile and I can tell a tremendous difference in my energy level. Eating 6 times a day really, really helps and WORKS for losing weight. Even if you just go to a bookstore and sit down and read what he has to say it will help you understand. Also the Dr. Phil weight loss recipe book is another good one. But I found that just looking over the two the Eating For Life recipes were a bit easier to prepare.

The desserts were really good and a nice reward - though still healthy - they are good. I couldn't, however, do any protein shake or use the protein powder in anything - that stuff is just nasty!!! LOL So I had to work around any of those recipes.

Hope this helped a little more.
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Old 11-28-2004, 08:45 PM   #7
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If you are going to eat potatoes, eat the red ones. This came from a nurse that teaches classes for diabetics.
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I'm still having trouble trying to figure out this hole low carb diet. My daughter insists that she shouldnt eat fruit, certain vegetables like potatoes, pasta, milk. But yet she is eating more eggs, cheese, and butter. At what point does this type of diet become counter-productive in terms of fat and cholestoral? Sure eggs have very little carbs, but they are full of cholestoral, same with butter, and cheese. The idea that eating fruits and vegetables is bad is opposite to what I believe. My daughter is always tired, looks pale, and she eats practically the same thing everyday: chicken, broccoli and mushrooms, and salads. Thats healty sure, but what about a balanced nutricious diet? She drinks more water, and until recently was drinking pepsi 1 but she insists there are carbs in that soda (even though the label says there are no carbs in it).

I know she is depriving herself of the foods she loves because I made a chicken pie last night, and french fries on the side. She ate her chicken, broccoli, and mushrooms, then proceeded to eat my pie and all my portion of fries that were suppose to be for my dinner.

I take this approach to eating, eat what you like, control the fat of course, and eat single portions, with no second helpings, and exercise often. Drink lots of water, get plenty of rest. Thats it! Do you guys agree that this would be the best approach to a steady weight loss? Im not sure if Im being to hard on her for doing low carbs. She does have a weight problem however. So far she has lost 10 lbs since November, which is not alot, so perhaps she has a very slow metabolism rate. I dont know if I should be supporting her or not. I try to be fair about it, and let her eat the types of food she wants, but Im concerned she is not getting enough of a balanced diet.
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amber - here is a small list of foods that should be ok - the carbohydrates are "complex" versus simple - that is the key - the fats listed are the "good" fats - butter is NOT one of them. http://www.bodyforlife.com/nutrition...t.asp#proteins

Also, if you just do some google searches for "good carbohydrates" "good fats", "healthy diet plan" you will get lots of info. When I followed the Body For Life diet I had SO MUCH ENERGY!!!! I just went and bought the cookbook and used that as a guide - the recipes were good too. I am not a protein powder fan so I opted not to make anything using the protein powder. But the other stuff is great.
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Oh boy, the low carb discussion ... it happens every message board no matter what the subject matter. But just remember, most things in life require a fair amount of balence. And cutting essential things from your diet ... like carbs ... is not balence.

Your body makes it's energy primarly from carbs, not protiens, converting protiens for energy takes them away from things they should be used for in your body. The no carb atkins thing obtains it's quick initial weight lose from primarly water weight lose and by tricking your body into thinking it's straving to death so it will use it's 'reserves' for energy.

Combined that with, in many cases, a substaintial increase in fats of all kinds, it doesn't really sound, to me, as a reasonable approach to weight lose. You'll really need to start taking suplements to compliment other vitamins you'll be missing by not eating/drinking things like oranges, etc

As for the carbs in the 'no carbs" soda ... dunno how to answer ... but there is the caffine, which can have effects on dieting. It will act as an apatite supressant, but also may cause your body to store more then it normally would. I don't really know the details on that one. It's my wife who's the nutritian nut, not me :)
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