"Discover Cooking, Discuss Life."

Go Back   Discuss Cooking - Cooking Forums > General Cooking Information > Health, Nutrition and Special Diets
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 01-24-2012, 10:02 AM   #21
Head Chef
 
GLC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Near Austin, Texas
Posts: 1,216
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgluver View Post
They didn't study men. Thought that was interesting. I
They reported on women because they were using the dataset created by the Women's Health Initiative, a set of clinical trials running since 1991 "to test the effects of postmenopausal hormone therapy, diet modification, and calcium and vitamin D supplements on heart disease, fractures, and breast and colorectal cancer."

The dataset is a collection of a large number of variable of several different types, which helps analyze results. When you have that kind of data, the studies are actually reports of statistical studies, rather than a single researcher carrying out a study to collect data independently. Because of the number of variable recorded in the Initiative, statistical analysis is very complicated but potentially very informative and reliable, because it considers so many factors that might otherwise be suspected of being involved in the effects. The analysis tells you which variable actually correlate to the effects. In other words, you don't necessarily have to guess correctly and then do a study to test your guess. The numbers tell you what's significant, even if you didn't suspect that outcome. That's very powerful. It can tell you things you literally would never have guessed.
__________________

__________________
"Kitchen duty is awarded only to those of manifest excellence..." - The Master, Dogen
GLC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2012, 10:17 AM   #22
Chef Extraordinaire
 
Addie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: East Boston, MA
Posts: 19,059
I unwittiling got my cholesterol down to normal by myself. All my numbers are down to normal. I don't know what I did for that to happed, but as a result a lot of my meds were discontinued. Including the Lipitor. But I still have my blood work done every three months. So now I have only my heart probles to worry about. I can live with that.
__________________

__________________
Illegitimi non carborundum!
I don't want my last words to be, "I wish I had spent more time doing housework"
Addie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2012, 07:15 PM   #23
Half Baked
 
4meandthem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Bay Area California
Posts: 2,018
I was automatically put on them when i was diagnosed T2 diabetic. I took them for 2 years. I am a powerlifter (goes to max weight often) and started having severe cramping issues after workouts.I could have ten muscles throughout my body cramp at the same time (so painful). One of the first things I did was stop the statins since I don't really have any cholestorol problems and they are notorious. Things cleared up but I made several changes as well. I have been back on the statins for about 2 months and the cramping thing is slowing coming back it seems. I may stop them again and see what happens. My BS was also high during that time and I have some other issues but it is worth a shot for while.
__________________
Just be yourself! Everyone else is taken.

My Flickr stuff!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/e_maxwell_photography/
4meandthem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2012, 09:14 PM   #24
Head Chef
 
GLC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Near Austin, Texas
Posts: 1,216
Muscle cramps is a known side effect, and there are lots of reports from statin patients about cramps they associate with the drug.

One doctor says:
I am often asked by my patients what can be done, short of discontinuation of the medication, for cholesterol lowering statin drug induced muscle cramps. The cause seems to be related to impaired fat oxidation within the muscle’s mitochondria (the cell’s “furnace” for making energy for contraction).
I would suggest considering the following plan for my patients:
1. Try a fat restricted diet with a higher focus on high carbohydrate diet due to the problems with fatty acid oxidation
2. Fish oils improve fatty acid oxidation. Therefore, try 2,000 to 5,000 mgm a day of combined EPA/DHA capsules.
3. Magnesium may be of help. Basically, the goal is about 1,200 to 1,800 mgm a day of magnesium. Diarrhea or loose stools may determine your ability to tolerate this element.
4. L-Carnitine 1 Gm three times a day for a 4-6 week trial may help. Take with meals.
5. CoQ-10 is occasionally helpful. It must be highly bio-available in its formulation. The dose to consider is between 300-600 mgm a day.

And, of course, he reminds that patient should see their physician before trying any of these things.
__________________
"Kitchen duty is awarded only to those of manifest excellence..." - The Master, Dogen
GLC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2012, 09:54 PM   #25
Ogress Supreme
 
PrincessFiona60's Avatar
Site Administrator
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 36,297
What's important is making the best decision for you and knowing all the risks and benefits. You don't know what YOUR reaction will be to any medication until you have tried it. You are making the best step in doing your own research and discovering the answers to your questions yourself.

I am all for treating conditions with diet and exercise first, however, if/when those don't work, it's probably time to turn to medications.
__________________
PrincessFiona60 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2012, 09:56 PM   #26
Executive Chef
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: here
Posts: 3,612
Quote:
Originally Posted by GLC View Post
1. Try a fat restricted diet with a higher focus on high carbohydrate diet due to the problems with fatty acid oxidation
2. Fish oils improve fatty acid oxidation. Therefore, try 2,000 to 5,000 mgm a day of combined EPA/DHA capsules.
This makes me appreciate how different many of our situations are.

What's working for me is a lower carbohydrate diet and not all that concerned about how much fat I eat, within reason.

I've been taking an EPA/DHA (Omega 3 fatty acid) supplement for years. I'm convinced it has something to do with preventing internal inflammation (as in blood vessels). Perhaps I don't have the right explanation but I believe I have the right idea. Either take lots of supplements or eat a lot of salmon...

Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessFiona60 View Post
I am all for treating conditions with diet and exercise first, however, if/when those don't work, it's probably time to turn to medications.
Me too. So far I'm lucky that for me it's working, diet and exercise.
__________________
Greg Who Cooks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2012, 10:02 PM   #27
Chef Extraordinaire
 
Dawgluver's Avatar
Site Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 24,119
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessFiona60
What's important is making the best decision for you and knowing all the risks and benefits. You don't know what YOUR reaction will be to any medication until you have tried it. You are making the best step in doing your own research and discovering the answers to your questions yourself.

I am all for treating conditions with diet and exercise first, however, if/when those don't work, it's probably time to turn to medications.
Very true.
__________________
She who dies with the most toys, wins.
Dawgluver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2012, 10:04 PM   #28
Ogress Supreme
 
PrincessFiona60's Avatar
Site Administrator
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 36,297
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgluver View Post
Very true.
Heh! You KNOW I wanted a heart attack at the age of fifty...
__________________

__________________
PrincessFiona60 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Discuss Cooking on Facebook

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.