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Old 10-05-2011, 01:19 AM   #1
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Tilapia: The fish that is as bad for you as bacon

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Tilapia: The fish that is as bad for you as bacon - WTOP.com

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Old 10-05-2011, 03:21 AM   #2
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There is an interesting thread about this at:
Is Farmed Tilapia bad for you?

I think it's a matter of balance. If one drinks 5 gallons of pure water every day, it'll kill you.

If one eats ten pounds of perfect vegetables every day, you'll get fat and your body will suffer all types of problems.

Eating a balanced diet of foods and trying to compensate for the bad foods with other foods that help keep the bad ones from overtaking your health is important.

Fresh air, good exercise and not overeating *anything* will keep most people out of the Doctors office.

Eating a wide selection of foods is also important.

Farm raised fish of any kind has a 6/3 imbalance. Not just Tilapia. Even farmed salmon has the same imbalance.
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:17 AM   #3
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Oh for crying out loud. I hope vilifying omega-6 is not the next food bandwagon that Americans jump on. Omega-6 (or n-6) is still an essential fatty acid, meaning that it's something that your body needs, but cannot manufacture on its own. As a nation, we probably consume far too many omega-6 rich foods, but that doesn't mean they should be avoided altogether.

Also, I think the title of the story is completely knee-jerk and misleading. To imply that any fish is as "bad as bacon" is a laugh.

While it's true that tilapia has a higher ratio of omega-6 to omega-3, so do a lot of other things. Take barley, for example. The ratio of n-6 to n-3 is 10 to 1. But it also contains iron and selenium, so it's nutritious. Just don't eat a pile of it at every meal and you will be fine.
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Old 10-05-2011, 09:29 AM   #4
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Also, I think the title of the story is completely knee-jerk and misleading. To imply that any fish is as "bad as bacon" is a laugh.
I AGREE, WHOLE HEARTEDLY !!
It's the wont of writers to exaggerate the comparisons, for, if they said "its as bad as Barley", who would pay attention ??
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Old 10-05-2011, 01:49 PM   #5
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The fact of the matter is so simple. Whether you believe in nature, or a supreme being, foods that are as close to their original, wild state, are superior to foods that have been changed by people, even to the point of what they are fed. Cows that are grass fed on natural grassy fields taste better, are healthier as animals, and are more nutritionally sound than are cows fed on corn. Real free-range chickens 9the one that get to eat insects, wild grains, worms, etc) taste better, are healthier, and are more nutrition than are caged chickens, again because of diet and exercise. And so it is with fish, pigs, and any other animal we consume.

That being said, the closer our diet is to a wild diet, that is, eating a wide variety of fuits, grains, veggies, and meats, each in their season. If you look closely at the most current food pyramid, it approximates what our ancestors probably ate as hunter-gatherers, before agriculture was discovered.

It has been proposed that agriculture is humanity's single biggest insult to the world. Nature abhors a mono-culture, and that is what we impose through agriculture, be it farms, or tree-farms. It destroys the land, and alienates the wold to so many animal species that once thrived on it. There are people more wise than I who are begining to understand how to plant multiple varieties of useful plants on the land, that are in symbiosis with the soil, and each other, so as to build the soil, while growing useful food plants for consumption. As an example, corn, squash, and beans, grown together enrich the soil, control weeds, and produce more usable food per acre than any of those plants grown exclusively. We as a creature, must learn to emulate nature, not try to change it. Then, we will assure our own survival, and help all other creatures survive as well.

Besides, nature reminds me every summer that it is much more difficult to maintain a omno-culture than to embrace a multi-species garden. There are people who grow beautiful gardens, both veggie, and flower, because they understand how to put together plants that naturally control weeds, nourish the soil, and give back much more than the effort that goes into them. My garden, since I'm not as knowledgeable, and all kinds of plants that I didn't plant tend to try and take over my garden.

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Old 10-05-2011, 02:18 PM   #6
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It has been proposed that agriculture is humanity's single biggest insult to the world.
I understand your intent and the aim of your post, but would argue the methods you suggest.

Human beings are here to stay. We will either create an environment that kills us as a species or we will eventually, (I believe), create one that will thrive with us.

I can grow hydroponic produce that is free of pesticides, free of health contaminants and is maximized for each type of produce to it's fullest, best possible state of being, genetically. The only type of growing method that can possibly rival it's outcome is organic growing, and that method can't produce in the environments that hydroponic growing can, for the same costs.

Over-population is the prime cause of most of the agricultural problems that exist today, and the health related problems that come from those conditions.

Until humans realize as a whole, that they cannot just willy-nilly create more humans, and start limiting the numbers of people who are on our little green/blue globe, hydroponic vegetable production is an absolute must with which we can feed the multitudes of the future.

In the following couple of decades, we'll all see an emergence of hydroponic farming, world-wide. It's already started.

This coming year, I'll be building a state-of-the-art system on my property that will produce 10 pounds of vegetables per/sq/ft, per/month. I'll post it's progress so that you can all watch how it's built and how I manage it.

It's the only possible future of agriculture.
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Timothy, I totally agreed with you on your first post but the second one almost sounded like Chinese propaganda, where they allow only one child per family.
This planet can handle lot more people only if the people would start growing food instead of poppy fields to produce heroin. Build tractors instead of fighting religious wars in the name of their religion. The list can go on. I wish I had 10 kids.
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Timothy, I totally agreed with you on your first post but the second one almost sounded like Chinese propaganda, where they allow only one child per family.
This planet can handle lot more people only if the people would start growing food instead of poppy fields to produce heroin. Build tractors instead of fighting religious wars in the name of their religion. The list can go on. I wish I had 10 kids.
Sorry Charlie, you and I will have to agree to disagree on that.
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Not a problem.
But think about it. How many kids does average American family have today? We are not overusing the land because we have so many people to feed. We are overusing the land because we are over eating. Before I came to America the 1/8 of a chicken and a cup of rice was a great dinner. Today I can eat this for a snack before the dinner or maybe after.
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The fact of the matter is so simple. Whether you believe in nature, or a supreme being, foods that are as close to their original, wild state, are superior to foods that have been changed by people, even to the point of what they are fed. Cows that are grass fed on natural grassy fields taste better, are healthier as animals, and are more nutritionally sound than are cows fed on corn. Real free-range chickens 9the one that get to eat insects, wild grains, worms, etc) taste better, are healthier, and are more nutrition than are caged chickens, again because of diet and exercise. And so it is with fish, pigs, and any other animal we consume.
I agree with you completely. Not only does the saying "you are what you eat" apply, but you are also a product of the food that your food has eaten. That means that in this country we are mostly made of corn, since that is what's fed to most of the farmed animals we consume.

Furthermore, if you look at the nutritional analysis of corn, you'll find that the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 is about 32:1 (a healthy ratio is considered to be 4:1 or less). Assuming that scientists are correct and that omega-6 is an inflammatory compound, is it any wonder that heart disease is so rampant in this country? There's a reason that animals are fed corn: it fattens them up quickly for market. It wouldn't surprise me if it had the same effect on humans eating the animals that eat all this corn.

There is a good documentary called "King Corn" that explores this food relationship. Granted, it's somewhat biased against big agribusiness, but not as much as similar movies I've seen.
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