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Old 06-09-2012, 04:44 AM   #1
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What is your cider I.Q.?

two things we learnt in britain after the norman invasion of 1066 were:
1)don't look up when there are arrows flying about
2)how to make decent cider.
true,apple trees/cider had been about in britain since before roman times but one of the main tipple's was wine from vineyards in the south west of the country.with climate change(yep nothing new about that either) the vineyards disappeared & the romans introduced us to orchards(oh yeah,and taking a bath now & again!)the rest is,as we say,history!
i guess that one of the great things about cider(or cyder)is that it has a great range from bone dry to sweet,still & sparkling,low to high alcohol so largely works where most wines do.
my favourite is aspalls cyder from suffolk.their premier cru is hard to beat.i use their draught in pork,chicken,veal & seafood dishes,fabulous when cooking mussels
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what's your's,what do you drink it with & what do you cook with it

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Old 06-09-2012, 04:55 AM   #2
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While I am NOT an imbiber...I know "stick-in-the-mud," I am a specific history buff. From Wikipedia:

"Avalon (probably from the Welsh word afal, meaning apple) is a legendary island featured in the Arthurian legend. It first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth's 1136 pseudohistorical account Historia Regum Britanniae ("The History of the Kings of Britain") as the place where King Arthur's sword Excalibur (Caliburnus) was forged and later where Arthur was taken to recover from his wounds after the Battle of Camlann. Avalon was associated from an early date with mystical practices and people such as Morgan le Fay."

Just showing off my knowledge of the area...
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While I am NOT an imbiber...I know "stick-in-the-mud," I am a specific history buff. From Wikipedia:

"Avalon (probably from the Welsh word afal, meaning apple) is a legendary island featured in the Arthurian legend. It first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth's 1136 pseudohistorical account Historia Regum Britanniae ("The History of the Kings of Britain") as the place where King Arthur's sword Excalibur (Caliburnus) was forged and later where Arthur was taken to recover from his wounds after the Battle of Camlann. Avalon was associated from an early date with mystical practices and people such as Morgan le Fay."

Just showing off my knowledge of the area...
i'm impressed pf,but two things:
what are you doing up at this ungodly hour? must be 3 or 4am your side.
what's that got to do with cider?
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i'm impressed pf,but two things:
what are you doing up at this ungodly hour? must be 3 or 4am your side.
what's that got to do with cider?
Since cider is made from apples from orchards in the southwest of GB...and I KNOW that's where Avalon is located...

Unable to sleep and my sleep deprived brain makes odd connections between Cider and Avalon...
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:38 AM   #5
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Buon Giorno Harry,

Normandy: Apples and cows are prominent in this northwestern green region of France ... and thus, I do cook with Calvados at least once every two or three months or so ...

I absolutely love Calvados ... I have a lovely recipe on chicken with apples and Calvados and Apple Cider ( chicken section ), though I have made it with Veal while in Puglia ...

Several years ago, we had visited the Risle River Valley, which is in the heart of Normandy. During this lovely trip, we stopped to see a Calvados Producer Client ( someone I interviewed and published an article on ) of mine, Jacques and he had explained the varying processes of apple cider making, apple brandy producing and how to´s on apple juice ...

He is quite a master at this art ... as his father and grand father before him ... Jacques also prefers to work with wood fire distilling verses gas or oil.

September is apple harvest season in Normandy. Calvados is nursed to its optimum ... Lovely orchards ... It is absolutely awesome for a home made apple pie ... and a sipping snifter ... Nice for Digestivi ...

Asturias, Spain, 30 km from Gijón going east, is also apple cider making country ... The most famous export Gaita, which means Bag Pipe Player is exported throughout the USA and Latin America ... It comes in several formats: Sparkling Cider, Natural Cider - Still and Champagne - upscale oak fermented Cider. There are alcoholic ciders and non alcoholic ciders.

Have a lovely wkend and thanks for the super post ...

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Since cider is made from apples from orchards in the southwest of GB...and I KNOW that's where Avalon is located...

Unable to sleep and my sleep deprived brain makes odd connections between Cider and Avalon...
oh i see......hmmm well avalon is actually a mythical island so it isn't actually located anywhere.some actual suggested locations are sicily,avallon in france,burgh sands in cumbria & bardsey island in the county of gwynneth wales which is famous for not only being the last resting place of king arthur & merlin but also for it's apples...so your sleep deprived noggin may have something there & who better to know the whereabouts of a king than a princess.
some of the best cider in the uk comes from suffolk in the east & hereford which is on the welsh/english border.
now get some sleep princess otherwise your handsome prince shrek can't awaken you with a kiss.........
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Avalon is in the mind of the Cider-holder...

I would go back to bed, but I have to be up in 2 hours anyway.
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Avalon is in the mind of the Cider-holder...

I would go back to bed, but I have to be up in 2 hours anyway.
so it's in the eye of the C holder not the B holder!
right,i'm off to visit bolas & madge for the weekend.talkin' about cider i'm taking over a few cans of scrumpy jack....rocket fuel...it's great to drink,cleans the grease off the grill & my Gti flies like a bird on the stuff if i run out of petrol!!
i'll leave you with some "interesting" uk cider facts:
  • Over two million new cider apple trees have been planted since 1995 (to 2006).
  • In the 14th Century children were baptised in cider, it was cleaner than the water!
  • Farm workers’ wages in earlier times included four pints of cider a day.
  • Captain Cook carried cider on his ships to treat his crew for scurvy.
  • At one time, 365 different varieties of cider apples were grown.
  • In the 19th Century cider was advertised as a cure for the gout and other illnesses.
  • The first listing of cider presses as a source of income appears in 1230 in a Royal Charter granted to Jocelin Bishop of Bath.
  • One of the earliest written references to Cider can be found in the Wycliffe ‘Cider’ Bible, printed in the early 15th Century. The Bible gets its name from the translation of the verse ‘For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink...’. The Cider Bible uses the word ‘cider’ (sidir) for strong drink and it can be viewed today in Hereford Cathedral’s Chained Library.
  • In 1664 John Evelyn wrote ‘Generally all strong and pleasant cider excites and cleanses the Stomach, strengthens Digestion, and infallibly frees the Kidneys and Bladder from breeding the Gravel Stone’.
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Buon Giorno Harry,

I love historical facts and details about food products and thus, this post is phenomenal ...

Have enjoyed the trivia very much. Have a lovely wkend with Bolas and his lady.

Interesting about the UK Christening Ceremonies ...

I had known about the Scurvy amongst sailors ... using citrus and apples which have some varieties which are very acidic and thus, employed to cure this illness.

Ciao, Margi.

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My father used to put down a barrel of cider each year and he believed that the best hard cider was made with half apple and half pear juice. To get the process started he added raisins, rye whiskey, oatmeal and honey. He would decide when it was ready to drink by the number of bubbles coming through the airlock hose into a jar of water. It was always clear and quite potent. Any that was not used eventually turned to vinegar and then it was turned over to my Mother and my Grandmother for cooking.

You and Bolas should give it a try this fall!
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