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Old 02-23-2008, 11:41 AM   #61
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I appreciate and enjoy this exchange. I think on top of the food safety issue, there is the intrinsic element of personal instinct that must be considered. I am certainly not arguing the science behind the discussion.

In the end, whether some food is theoretically safe or not (and the vacuum-packed 2-yr old chicken probably is), we will all follow our own instincts of what to put or not to put in our mouth. My instincts are to trust what my brain tells me about some food, plus heed my experience, and all my senses, including my sense of self-preservation.

Even if one part of my brain says that something is probably (note that this means less than 100%!) safe to eat, another part knows that it's been frozen two long years and therefore anything could have happened within that time (power outage, multiple defrosting/refreezing, and what not). My brain also tells me not to take chances based on past experience (my friend's frozen durian!), especially not over a piddling amount of money. Especially if either the smell or taste or texture or appearance of the food is off, even if it's still probably safe I'd toss it, if only because I can't possibly put it in my mouth anyway.

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Dang! Nothing to argue about there

Come on Chop, we could get this puppy to 100 if you would just cooperate

There are many foods that are "safe" that I choose not to eat. Unfortunately, there are far too many foods that I do choose to eat
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Old 02-23-2008, 11:47 AM   #62
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I think this is coming down to food Appeal now.
it`s not All about 2 senses Taste and Smell, but Eyes and Mind also.

and I must admit there are things out that are safe and even good for me to eat that I wouldn`t touch with welding gloves on :)
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:20 PM   #63
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Would the folks who said that the 2-yr old frozen chicken is safe maintain the same arguments if we're talking about a 10 year-old or a 100 year-old frozen chicken? :-P

For me it boils down to this, unless we have that particular 2-yr old chicken tested at a lab, no one can convince me that it's safe to eat. And even if we do that and it turns out to be safe, if I don't like its looks or smell or taste due to quality degradation, out the window it goes.

I must admit I've thrown out a lot of safe-to-eat stuff just because. :-)
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:24 PM   #64
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If I was 100% sure that it had remained frozen the entire 10 years (and it was vacuum packed without the packaging being compromised) then yes I would still maintain it is safe. Now if you asked me if it was palatable, that would be a completely different story.
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The chicken will be 4 by the time this is sorted out, LOL.
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:35 PM   #66
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If I was 100% sure that it had remained frozen the entire 10 years
GB, No Ifs please

The point is, we can't make assumptions about storage conditions not visible to us, over such a long stretch of time and still declare the petrified chicken safe.
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:40 PM   #67
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Properly wrapped or vacuum sealed, chicken (or any other meat) can last for a very long time in the freezer, especially if it's not a frost-free freezer. Store packaging has significant air spaces under the wrapper and that is where freezer burn occurs. That is why it is very improtant to rewrap foods before freezing. I'd eat a properly packaged chicken breast that's been in a (not frost-free) freezer for two years.
What is the importance of it not being a frost free freezer? Is it because the auto defrost cycle may take it above the safe zone temp?
Just curious because most new fridges are frost free, so if that feature is effecting how long you can keep frozen goods...?
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I am not making any assumptions. That is why I said if I was 100% sure that it has remained frozen.

If you eat chicken for dinner tonight, can you be 100% sure that it was handled properly the entire way from farm to table? Of course not. What if someone at the supermarket picked up that package of chicken and was going to buy it and decided not to. They then place it on a shelf next to the Doritos. A minimum wage high school stock boy sees the chicken 4 hours later and puts it back in the cooler. You buy it and bring it home. Is it safe? Do you eat chicken that you buy from the supermarket? Have you not made assumptions about the storage conditions not visable to you?
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This poor controversial much-maligned chicken. I swear it aged overnight!
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GB, yes we all make reasonable assumptions about the safety of the food we eat. But over two years or ten years of something not visible? Those assumptions will not be reasonable anymore. In fact, it's probably more reasonable to assume that the chicken is unsafe. At the cost of having to have the chicken tested at a lab, it may be more practical to throw out the chicken. :-)
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