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Old 08-25-2016, 05:16 AM   #21
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I would argue that "perceived value" accounts for 99.999% of that.

Think about it this way. It takes roughly 700 grapes to make a bottle of wine. Therefore, a $12,000 bottle breaks down to roughly $17 PER GRAPE. There is no grape in the world that is worth that much money.

Most people who buy those high priced bottles are collectors. Typically they hang on to it for a few years, hoping that the price will go up (and if they really want the price to go up, they will buy up the last of a rare lot). Then they turn around and sell it to people who are willing to pay the price. Those people, in turn, only care about serving it to their rich, snobby friends, so they can all ooh and ahh over the exorbitant price that was paid.

I once had the opportunity to taste an $800 bottle of French Chardonnay. I thought it was pretty good, but it certainly wasn't 40 times better than my favorite $20 bottle.

The wines with the highest perceived values, at least to me, are the ones shared with good friends.
I totally agree with Steve Kroll. I believe it is all about personal choice and taste as well. What good for you might not be for me and so on...
Wine tasting is very subjective indeed.
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Old 08-25-2016, 07:06 AM   #22
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I totally agree with Steve Kroll. I believe it is all about personal choice and taste as well. What good for you might not be for me and so on...
Wine tasting is very subjective indeed.
Let me start by saying I don't drink wine at all. To me, it is more of something I cook with than a beverage. Any time I taste wine, my mind is running as to what I can use it in to cook with rather than to drink. And my wife, she just does not like wine and all.

Anyway, we have kiwi (fruit) vines here at the house. One year I had an over abundance of kiwis. I made jams, pies, ate them as fruit ... and still had 800 or so left over. Didn't know what to do, so there is a local beer and wine making store nearby. I stopped in, asked if I could make wine out of the abundance of kiwis I had. He told me what I should do, and sold me whatever I needed to make the wine. A few months later, I had wine. Looked like wine, smelled like wine and tasted like wine. Didn't taste great, didn't taste bad, just ok. Definitely something I could use to cook with ( and have been for years now).

Anyway, later that year we attended a food and wine festival ( I go primarily for the food and cooking demos). My wife said, 'wait a minute, I want to sample some wine'. I said ' why? you don't even like wine.' She basically said that she wants to find the best, most expensive high quality wine to sample, so she can compare it to the wine I made. She walked up to a wine vendor and asked him for his best, most expensive wine that he has to offer. She took a sip, and made that face a child makes after they were forced to take medicine. At that point she turned to me and said " your kiwi wine must be really good, cause it tastes like crap, just like this one!'

To this day, I still use my kiwi wine for cooking.
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:20 AM   #23
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Homebrewing is completely legal in the UK. Yet, making your own cocktails/wine is always better indeed but there are also some criteria which must be taken into account once you decided to go into the preparation such as the equipment and materials safety, the sterilizing techniques, the steeping times, the straining process, its storage... lots of things to get a finished product but also a great deal of time.
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Old 09-09-2016, 08:19 AM   #24
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...She took a sip, and made that face a child makes after they were forced to take medicine. At that point she turned to me and said " your kiwi wine must be really good, cause it tastes like crap, just like this one!'

To this day, I still use my kiwi wine for cooking.
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Old 09-09-2016, 09:34 AM   #25
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...She walked up to a wine vendor and asked him for his best, most expensive wine that he has to offer. She took a sip, and made that face a child makes after they were forced to take medicine. At that point she turned to me and said " your kiwi wine must be really good, cause it tastes like crap, just like this one!'
If I were the vendor or winemaker, I would've been offended. Why do that to someone who is simply trying to make a living?
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If I were the vendor or winemaker, I would've been offended. Why do that to someone who is simply trying to make a living?
My assumption was that he didn't hear her comment.
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Old 09-22-2016, 06:44 AM   #27
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It's ok Steve, you are right saying that Delices Gourmandises sell sweets and
pastries but they also sell wine :
I would not blame you because I was also a bit astonished when I first hear it.
I sometimes order wines online especially on liquorama when I am busy with work or simply when I do not have time to buy at a liquor store. But this time, with my first order at Delices Gourmandises few days before Christmas, I was wondering if I made a good choice choosing the brand since I am planning to order other products.
Buying wine at stores is better especially if the store has a in-store tasting. It will give you the chance to know what you would like to have. Online purchasing is good only if you know exactly what you want which means you no longer need any tasting. Furthermore online purchasing wil always be a little bit expensive since you will have shipping fee along any other . That is just common sense.
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:20 AM   #28
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Talking about wine store, where do you buy your wine?? What would you prefer, online store or physical store?? why??
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Old 11-08-2016, 08:51 AM   #29
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The word 'cabernet' comes from the Latin meaning 'black grape' and the word 'sauvignon' means 'wild vine'. I wonder whether, and I feel it must mean that as a grape variety, it grows almost anywhere where vines thrive, so that the clones you get from planting it in areas other than Bordeaux produce highly acceptable wines in their own right, with their own 'gout de terroir'', and with the right treatment, they produce truly great wines.


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Old 11-09-2016, 12:56 PM   #30
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The word 'cabernet' comes from the Latin meaning 'black grape' and the word 'sauvignon' means 'wild vine'. I wonder whether, and I feel it must mean that as a grape variety, it grows almost anywhere where vines thrive, so that the clones you get from planting it in areas other than Bordeaux produce highly acceptable wines in their own right, with their own 'gout de terroir'', and with the right treatment, they produce truly great wines.


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I seem to remember from years and years ago a disease wiped out the French cab crop and the vines were replanted with California stock.
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