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[Hoot]

There is something very weird going on here....
Post #16 of this topic shows Greg Who Cooks quoting me from the thread about truffle salt.
I have not responded to that thread.
Where is Rod Serling when you need him?

 

[taxlady]

I'm a science fiction plan, and it's a common theme to have vat grown meats.

It's always been a logical move to me.

Same here.

 

[Zhizara]

There is something very weird going on here....
Post #16 of this topic shows Greg Who Cooks quoting me from the thread about truffle salt.
I have not responded to that thread.
Where is Rod Serling when you need him?

I merged the threads. Unfortunately some people were posting to one thread and the different posts are not in logical order, but rather the order that they were originally posted.

I don't know if it can be fixed, I'll ask the Princess.

BTW, please use the report button. It gives us easier access to the problem areas.

 

[Greg Who Cooks]

This isn't technically GMO.

Technically it is genetic intervention in natural processes. Whether you consider it "Frankenfood" is up to individual opinion.

 

[Greg Who Cooks]

I merged the threads. Unfortunately some people were posting to one thread and the different posts are not in logical order, but rather the order that they were originally posted.

I don't know if it can be fixed, I'll ask the Princess.

BTW, please use the report button. It gives us easier access to the problem areas.

Thank you Z. I am at least one who requested merging of this important and interesting topic. And I did use the report button because as a forum guru I know the report button is the best way to address moderation, because the report goes to a general moderator topic where any moderator can fix it, rather than sending it to a specific moderator where you have to wait until that specific moderator logs in.

The report button goes to a wire that all the moderators see, and the first one that think the report needs action can fix the problem immediately.

And as a forum software developer, no, you can't fix the problem about being out of sequence. The replies address different posts so the best ou can get is a chronological merge.

But it's good to note from the moderator that the topics were merged and some replies may be out of sequence due to the combination of two topics that were not temporally related before the merge.

 

[Hoot]

Thanks, Z! It's ok..it just seemed a little weird, that's all.

 

[pacanis]

You weren't alone, Hoot. I wondered where the truffle oil post came from, too.

 

[FrankZ]

Apparently this is causing a schism in PETA. Some folks are say, heck yeah, we've been waiting for this and others are saying, it's meat - it's bad.

No matter what PETA says I disagree....

 

[Greg Who Cooks]

PETA is well known for their illogical idealism. Their whole thing (as I understand it) is to not harm animals. Okay, so if we can make animal tissue in test tubes, tissue with no nerves or brains, where's the harm in that? It's not possible to hurt muscle tissue grown in a factory without nerve cells.

One ironic fact is that many vegetarians have dietary problems caused by absence of some nutrients necessary for health that are not available from purely vegetable sources.

If PETA were logical they'd be totally behind this: meat artificially manufactured without harming animals. It's sort of like Tofurkey, except it's Frankenturkey. Actually if they don't tinker the genes then it isn't even Frankenfood. Perhaps it will require a whole new category.

Just please, don't insert any insect genes... I eat insects only when camping, and only accidentally. (Okay flour etc. allows a certain amount of rat parts PPM--parts per million, not implying that rats are insects.)

One thing they'll find difficult to do is to grow artificial steaks, due to the structure, shape, marbling, all that. It's no coincidence that this first experiment resulted in hamburger--which has no form.

 

[taxlady]

Give them time for the steaks. Have you seen what they can do to grow (external) ears?

 

[Greg Who Cooks]

One day we cooking enthusiasts will simply post binary files that we load into our replicators to make those recipes. Recipe creation will amount to cooking the recipe once, to perfection, and then compiling it into a binary that others can load into their replicators.

PETA will probably complain that animal genes are being harmed, and that nerveless, brainless muscle tissue can still experience pain.

The CIA (Culinary Institute of America) will require many of the same basic classes as those required to get an engineering degree.

 

[Aunt Bea]

I think it is logical and fine for future generations, just not for me.

Someday we will be able to buy a Magic Meat Maker from Ronco complete with a set of reusable, dishwasher safe plastic bones!

 

[Rob Babcock]

I'd try it. Who knows where it might lead? The first cars and aircraft were pretty expensive and crude to the point of comedy but look at both of those technologies now. If they can eventually "replicate" the taste and texture of real, natural-grown beef but with less energy and resources used it could be a great breakthrough. It could help end world hunger and conserve resources, too.

 

[Mad Cook]

Eeeeew! I am going to pass. Some things just shouldn't come from a test tube.

A lot more than we know finds its way onto our plates from out of a test tube, she sa' darkly.

 

[Mad Cook]

No matter what PETA says I disagree....

Me too. During the fuss about the Act of Parliament banning hunting-with-dogs (ie fox, stag, otter, etc., hunting with hounds) in the UK, Peta came up with the announcement that when the hunting ban became law they would then start working for a ban on the "cruelty" of riding (and, presumably, driving) horses. Howls of derision from horse owners all over the land because, as one of my colleagues said, our horses live better than we do - 3 meals a day, comfy beds, big fields to graze and socialise with other horses, often as little as an hour's work a day, expensive medical care, faithful servants.....

What Peta didn't say was what would happen to the thousands of horses kept as hobby animals and pets in the UK when their owners were no longer allowed to keep them and the specialist equine vets, and the farriers, and the saddlers and to the equipment makers and the farmers who produce horse feeds, hay and bedding, the riding instructors, etc., etc., who would go out of business and throw their workforce on the scrap heap if this went ahead. Because, sure as hell, Peta wouldn't let us eat our horses. (Facetious statement - I don't mean that I would!).

Furthermore if organisations like Peta succeed in stopping the raising of animals for food what will happen to the animals and as important, if not more so, where will the fertilisers come from to grow all the vegetable matter to make our food since a lot of it still comes from animal sources? The muck heap from the stables where I keep the Wonder Horse has to cope with the waste products of over 100 horses and most of it goes free to local farms and smallholdigs.

Sorry, off topic rant over.

 

[Greg Who Cooks]

Furthermore if organisations like Peta succeed in stopping the raising of animals for food what will happen to the animals and as important, if not more so, where will the fertilisers come from to grow all the vegetable matter to make our food since a lot of it still comes from animal sources? The muck heap from the stables where I keep the Wonder Horse has to cope with the waste products of over 100 horses and most of it goes free to local farms and smallholdigs.

One if the very first things you'd notice is a huge decrease in the population of feed stocks (cattle, pork, chicken, etc.), an unimaginably huge decrease in farm employment, a huge increase in beef, pork, chicken, lamb (etc.) prices in markets.

The restaurant segment would fail if people couldn't order beef, pork, chicken, etc. for dinner.

I like tofu but it wouldn't take the place of any of that stuff, and most people don't like tofu.

If our society and our economy wants to switch from animal feed stocks (beef, pork, chicken) we had better plan the transition for several years because otherwise the upset in our economy could threaten civilization.