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Old 01-14-2012, 05:30 PM   #341
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Basing your opinion of a chef's ability on whether or not he has a TV show or is willing to compete on a contrived competition show is not the most logical approach.
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Old 01-14-2012, 06:36 PM   #342
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All I can say is that I've never seen Gordon Ramsay cook. I don't have any of those fancy cable or satellite channels. Right now I'm living in temporary quarters, I can't get any of that stuff. I guess I've lived a deprived life too since I never saw any of his cooking programs. All I've seen is the reality shows. All I've ever seen him do is curse a blue streak.

I'd like to see the camera focus in on Ramsay, alone on the stage at a cooking show setup, and have him entertain me with an interesting recipe I can cook at home and demonstrating the cooking technique.

Until then all I have is the reality shows. I'm not arguing he isn't or is good. Just haven't seen it.

As far as the cooking competition shows, they're about reality and competition, not cooking. Cooking on those shows is just a stage prop. I won't say I haven't watched them, but they've taught me basically nothing about cooking. Hell's Kitchen (I think that was the one) was somewhat interesting in giving a behind the scene look at restaurants, but I'll never be a professional chef or restaurant owner so that was just entertainment for me, not cooking.

I hope I'll see Ramsay demonstrate a recipe some day. Until then I'll reserve my judgement about whether he's a good TV chef.
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Basing your opinion of a chef's ability on whether or not he has a TV show or is willing to compete on a contrived competition show is not the most logical approach.
then what is? I never sd anything about having a tv show as proof, I was just merely replying to gourmet greg saying he's never Gordon on any tv shows... and how is top chef or iron chef contrived? it may not be to you but it's a pretty fair measure of one's ability.
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All I can say is that I've never seen Gordon Ramsay cook. I don't have any of those fancy cable or satellite channels. Right now I'm living in temporary quarters, I can't get any of that stuff. I guess I've lived a deprived life too since I never saw any of his cooking programs. All I've seen is the reality shows. All I've ever seen him do is curse a blue streak.

I'd like to see the camera focus in on Ramsay, alone on the stage at a cooking show setup, and have him entertain me with an interesting recipe I can cook at home and demonstrating the cooking technique.

Until then all I have is the reality shows. I'm not arguing he isn't or is good. Just haven't seen it.

As far as the cooking competition shows, they're about reality and competition, not cooking. Cooking on those shows is just a stage prop. I won't say I haven't watched them, but they've taught me basically nothing about cooking. Hell's Kitchen (I think that was the one) was somewhat interesting in giving a behind the scene look at restaurants, but I'll never be a professional chef or restaurant owner so that was just entertainment for me, not cooking.

I hope I'll see Ramsay demonstrate a recipe some day. Until then I'll reserve my judgement about whether he's a good TV chef.
Gordon is not just a tv chef, he is an accomplished chef with highly respected restaurants in the us and europe like Puck and charlie trotter. Ok so you don't have cable or directv..do you have internet? try you tube and watch a little of his show the F word and I think you'll get a glimse of more than a foul mouth which I judge him 1st too with Hells kitchen.
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Lots of TV chefs own restaurants and I'm sure they're good chefs, including Gordon Ramsay, including Rick Bayless, including Ming Tsai, and all of them.

Perhaps I have the topic wrong. I've been thinking along the lines of which TV chefs do the best for me as far as their TV shows teaching me real recipes and cooking techniques. I think I'm at odds with many of the other forum members in this topic.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I mind the blue language so much (although I try to avoid that in my own talk). It's just that watching one of Ramsay's reality shows the censors bleep out so much of the talk that I can't understand WTH they're saying a lot of the time. I'd probably be more entertained if they left in the curses.

To me the best TV chef is the one that teaches me the most about cooking.
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I don't like Gordon Ramsey, either. I find him boorish and cruel. I don't care if he cooks well, he's already lost my interest in anything he does by his obnoxious behavior.
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then what is? I never sd anything about having a tv show as proof, I was just merely replying to gourmet greg saying he's never Gordon on any tv shows... and how is top chef or iron chef contrived? it may not be to you but it's a pretty fair measure of one's ability.
I wasn't responding to your post.

The only way to know how good a chef is is to eat his food.
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He's the real deal, although I hated him in the beginning seeing him shout and belittle on Hell's kitchen.
HK is the only show of his I don't like. I think he's a wonderful chef, and entrepeneur (before he became a TV chef) and I like the way he thinks about food. I suspect is "anger" is more theater than reality.

Not all great chefs and cooks are on TV. Mark Bittman doesn't have the personality for it neither does Kenji Alt, but their food is terrific.
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Mark Bittman has been on TV a lot.
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