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Old 06-05-2010, 03:58 AM   #41
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[QUOTE=vyapti;900609]Your dietitian is contradicting the American Medical Association, the American Heart Association, USDA, the Mayo Clinic and many many other sources.[/QUO
gimme stats; then i may dabble in sort-of acknowledging your posts.:)
.....in modertion, foods of many, many sorts may be incorporated. chix/seafoood/lean beef/a multitude of cheeses.
plain as day, portioning- via restaurant or via placing dinners before another in an alternate setting.......
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Old 06-05-2010, 11:30 AM   #42
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I could easily go meatless for a week as long as I did not give up eggs and dairy. I could go vegan for a week, but would find it much more difficult to do. A day or three...sure.

I think it is possible to have a healthy diet without meat, but one needs to work hard to do it.

Personally, I love veggies; and I have a lot of vegetarian and vegan friends and co-workers. Though Frank loves meats in all forms most days, I find that I do crave steak once in a while. Regardless, the thing that has stopped me in the past from even considering a vegetarian or vegan diet is this: Every single one of my vegan/vegetarian friends take vitamin and mineral supplements. With the exception of B12, vitamins are made synthetically in a lab. Vitamin B12 is bio-synthesized by using bacteria.

What I do notice among my vegan/vegetarian friends is that they are generally non-smokers, who live a healthy lifestyle. They exercise regularly and do take notice of what they eat and seek healthier foods. Federal studies show that when compared with meat-eating counterparts who monitor their foods and live healthy lifestyles, there is no proven difference in whether one lives longer or has less chance for cancer.

Some friends do not eat meat because of the treatment of animals raised for food. I have to say that I will pay more for animals that are not tortured prior to slaughter and for free-range eggs. I want to know that the animals were fed well, treated humanely, and were not pumped up with drugs. Yes, I know I often cannot be sure, but I pay more if I know this information.

I once had an aunt who would never buy chicken parts (like the container of wings, or just thighs, etc.) The reason is she worked at a chicken processing plant, and chickens who could not be sold whole due to sores, etc. were butchered for parts and the offending part was discarded for dog food and what have you. That was years ago though. I'm unsure the practices now, but I think of it whenever I get a package of only one item.

I love the idea of knowing where my food is raised or grown, and I am becoming more health conscience. I respect anyone who alters their diet for what they feel is right for them - whether they eat meat or not. I will say that I have noticed more appreciation for things I put in my body when it was more of a conscience decision to obtain specific items.

For example, in a blind taste test, I could not tell the difference between whipped cream purchased at my supermarket and the organically obtained whipped cream purchased in the glass bottle from the local farm. However, I felt more satisfaction of supporting the local farmer and knowing how fresh the cream was.

I hope this makes sense.

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Old 06-05-2010, 01:21 PM   #43
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Actually Kathleen, that's not true anymore. Chickens are processed/butchered according to good old demand. The popularity of different poultry products has changed DRASTICALLY in the last decade or more.

Years ago, chicken wings were simply a byproduct that people bought to use as fish & crab bait. Now they're almost a household & restaurant staple. It would take an AWFUL lot of damaged chickens to supply wings for what's needed now. Same goes for that healthy dieter's dream - the boneless skinless chicken breast (& the thighs).

It may have been true in grandma's day, but it ain't so anymore. No need to cringe when buying chicken parts these days.
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Old 06-05-2010, 06:47 PM   #44
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Good to know, Breezy! Her descriptions were horrific....and likely the reason that I'm not especially fond of chicken.
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Good to know, Breezy! Her descriptions were horrific....and likely the reason that I'm not especially fond of chicken.
Some of the most horrific abuse you could imagine occur at every stage of chicken production, starting with male chicks being fed alive into meat grinders (they're not financially viable). They're fattened with antibiotic laced meal and grown at a rate that their legs can't keep up with. They spend their entire lives in cramped quarters where they can't spread their wings and, even if they had the space their legs couldn't support their weight for more than a few steps. The slaughterhouse your aunt spoke of may be the most humane part a chicken's existence. And, I bet the conditions now are exponentially worse.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:10 PM   #46
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This was the first thread I viewed when I joined DC, I forgot how entertaining it was... Me personally am a meat eater, always have been, always will be... I eat my veggies, and fruits, but given the choice between a plate full of meat or a plate full of veggies, i'm going for the meat... It's a personal preference, "to be a vegetarian or not"... Who really cares, it's not my business to worry about what people think about what I do or do not eat...
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:24 PM   #47
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Sorry vyapti - not entirely true. Stop with the uber-horror stories already. Good grief. You vegetarians need to get a life outside of proselytizing your cause.

It's true that hatcheries do kill a lot of male chicks from the lightweight egg-laying breeds because unlike the dual-purpose & meat-type birds they're not very saleable except for pet food processors. But not even remotely all male chicks are "fed alive into meat grinders". How dramatic of you. Yes, it does happen & it's appalling. But it's not a breed-wide industry standard.

And the use of antibiotics & growth hormones in commercial chicken feed has been a moot point for quite a long time now. I'm very surprised you're not aware of that. As for chickens being overbred to the point where, if left to mature, they can't support themselves, several of the Cornish meat breeds are. But they're butchered far far earlier in life for that to happen. Do I agree with this breeding, regardless? Of course not. But they never reach the point where they can't stand up. They're in your grocer's freezer way long before that. And even this isn't de rigeur for all poultry raisers. Many raise lighter-weight breeds that free-range.

And speaking of that, I do notice you seem to conveniently skip all the organic & free-range poultry enterprises springing up nationwide. Have you visited all of those & want to report on them as well?

If you don't wish to consume poultry, then don't. No one is forcing you. But please don't try to sway others with old, unsubstantiated, & sometimes just wrong stories that you've heard.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:25 PM   #48
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And good for you Mimi!!! I fully agree!! :)
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:41 PM   #49
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Sorry vyapti - not entirely true. Stop with the uber-horror stories already. Good grief. You vegetarians need to get a life outside of proselytizing your cause.

It's true that hatcheries do kill a lot of male chicks from the lightweight egg-laying breeds because unlike the dual-purpose & meat-type birds they're not very saleable except for pet food processors. But not even remotely all male chicks are "fed alive into meat grinders". How dramatic of you. Yes, it does happen & it's appalling. But it's not a breed-wide industry standard.

And the use of antibiotics & growth hormones in commercial chicken feed has been a moot point for quite a long time now. I'm very surprised you're not aware of that. As for chickens being overbred to the point where, if left to mature, they can't support themselves, several of the Cornish meat breeds are. But they're butchered far far earlier in life for that to happen. Do I agree with this breeding, regardless? Of course not. But they never reach the point where they can't stand up. They're in your grocer's freezer way long before that. And even this isn't de rigeur for all poultry raisers. Many raise lighter-weight breeds that free-range.

And speaking of that, I do notice you seem to conveniently skip all the organic & free-range poultry enterprises springing up nationwide. Have you visited all of those & want to report on them as well?

If you don't wish to consume poultry, then don't. No one is forcing you. But please don't try to sway others with old, unsubstantiated, & sometimes just wrong stories that you've heard.
Breezy you just danged on my crackberry and I had to get right back online to give you the big WOO HOO This is like a conversation about religion, or politics, you have your views I have mine, don't preach to me, i'm not your business... People can have their own opinions but there is no need to try to convince people that the vegetarian way is the only way... If it is, anybody got any shoe laces I can borrow cause i'll need to hang myself...
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Stop with the uber-horror stories already. Good grief. You vegetarians . . .
How is this post not a personal attack.

I know that most don't agree with my views and I tend to keep them to myself. But I do and will refute false information. Your claim was false. Sorry.
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