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Old 03-12-2012, 11:43 AM   #11
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'Prediabetes', or 'borderline diabetes'--a lot like being 'a little bit pregnant'.

Steve, I disagree a bit on your recommendations for lean meat/low fat. Fat satiates, fat tastes good, and I find I eat less if I go full fat. YMMV, of course, and I am not a dietician. I just know that for me, I have lost weight (70 pounds) and cut my cholesterol from 200+ to 155, and my a1c from 6.5 to 5.5.
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:41 PM   #12
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I come from a huge family (10 kids) and five of my siblings are diabetic (two have passed from complications of diabetes, they were both type I). I have always been the heaviest in my family and have always insisted on eating real sugar and . I have to eat carbs and sugar regularly, and it has to be the real stuff. No aspartame, diet stuff in my house (variety of reasons). So I have done a LOT of research on this issue and believe that the additives and preservatives like MSG and aspartame are HUGELY responsible for the epidemic of diabetes. I am not a medical personnel, but I've certainly studied as much as (or more than) a medical researcher over the past decades. I know many will find my view controversial, but I have had very good success following an organic-as-I-can diet with NO artificial ingredients (including sweeteners), walking a few times a week and avoiding soda, INCLUDING diet soda. I have seen my siblings who went the low-carb, diet soda route and three have become type II diabetics in their 40s, even with the diet modifications and a much lower weight than me (none were overweight). So I'm just saying all this to suggest to just CONSIDER that it could be the additives in our diet that has created this epidemic. The MSG is in ALL fast food, and nearly every restaurant serves food laden in it, even those who claim "no MSG" --- just because they don't add it from a shaker, doesn't mean that it's MSG free. anything that comes already processed (and a lot that doesn't) contains MSG under one of its dozens of names. If you're interested in learning more, check out MSGTruth.org and go to "disease states" --- makes a lot of sense! And this approach has so far kept me from developing diabetes (SO FAR) even though I'm in my early 50's and have not been on a diet in nearly 30 years. Just sayin' ...
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:57 PM   #13
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There are a few types of bread that are very high fiber. Rye is good, and sourdough, for some reason, is lower in carbs than similar white bread.

I don't eat much bread at all any more--the low carb 'breads' are horrible, kind of a sandy texture. Instead, I use whole grain crackers--great with tuna or cheese. Not really a sandwich, but close enough for me. AND I COUNT those crackers, I don't just mindlessly grab a handful (or two, or three!)

Down 71 pounds at last look.
Sourdough is lower in carbs because the natural starches (carbs) and sugars in the dough are digested by the yeast, which in turn give up acid, which makes the dough taste sour. So, many of the available carbs in the dough are converted to acid by the yeast.

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Old 03-12-2012, 02:45 PM   #14
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Steve, I disagree a bit on your recommendations for lean meat/low fat. Fat satiates, fat tastes good, and I find I eat less if I go full fat. YMMV, of course, and I am not a dietician. I just know that for me, I have lost weight (70 pounds) and cut my cholesterol from 200+ to 155, and my a1c from 6.5 to 5.5.
On the contrary, I'm not suggesting anyone go on a low fat diet. Fat is absolutely necessary for good health.

What I am suggesting is replacing some of the fat consumed from land animal sources with healthier fats from vegetable and marine sources, and especially bumping up sources of omega 3 fats, which help reduce inflammation.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:51 PM   #15
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On the contrary, I'm not suggesting anyone go on a low fat diet. Fat is absolutely necessary for good health.

What I am suggesting is replacing some of the fat consumed from land animal sources with healthier fats from vegetable and marine sources, and especially bumping up sources of omega 3 fats, which help reduce inflammation.
+1. I agree with this. I also know that using the glycemic index to select healthier food choices really helps control blood sugars.

Also, a bit of research will show you that certain foods, and herbs/spices can help control blood sugar. Examples of these include chia seeds, psillium husks, and cinnamon. talk to your dietician to learn more about foods that can help you avoid having to take medications, for cholesterol, blood sugar, and triglyceride control. Also, learn strategies that will allow you to enjoy good foods, without exceeding your dietary restrictions.

One more thing, support from your family is very important. If those around you are eating apple pie and ice cream, or lasagna, or Krispy Cream doughnuts in front of you, it makes it very hard to maintain control.

If, on the other hand, they will eat whole grain pasta and breads, and eat fruits and cheese for desert (just a couple of examples), and berries instead of tropical fruits, then controlling your own cravings becomes so much easier. And, it teaches others to enjoy foods that are more healthy for them as well.

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Old 03-12-2012, 04:12 PM   #16
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Thanks, everyone. I have talked with my dad about this and will be most likely back in MN soon--he has to have a cataract removed and since my mom can't drive, unless he can arrange for s/one else to drive him home from the procedure, my brother or I will have to be there. They do drink a lot of orange juice--not freshly squeezed, but the frozen, canned stuff. I try to get them to drink freshly squeezed stuff-veggie juice when I'm there, but I'm not there long enough to make long-term changes. And no, PF, I am not planning on living there. I have offered one of our houses, renovated to their liking, but my father doesn't want to move back to Canada. It would be a lot easier for me (and for my brother). Thanks again, everyone. I tend to not eat processed food, cookies/cakes/sweets (ice cream once in a while is my thing). I eat a lot of fiber--legumes at least 2-3x/week and diabetes has not been an issue in the family--so when I'm there, I do make meals I like and tend to use a lot of chicken, lean meat, fish. The good news is he doesn't drink, not at all. Once in a while, wine is used in cooking, but not a lot.
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:33 PM   #17
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Thanks, everyone. I have talked with my dad about this and will be most likely back in MN soon--he has to have a cataract removed and since my mom can't drive, unless he can arrange for s/one else to drive him home from the procedure, my brother or I will have to be there. They do drink a lot of orange juice--not freshly squeezed, but the frozen, canned stuff. I try to get them to drink freshly squeezed stuff-veggie juice when I'm there, but I'm not there long enough to make long-term changes. And no, PF, I am not planning on living there. I have offered one of our houses, renovated to their liking, but my father doesn't want to move back to Canada. It would be a lot easier for me (and for my brother). Thanks again, everyone. I tend to not eat processed food, cookies/cakes/sweets (ice cream once in a while is my thing). I eat a lot of fiber--legumes at least 2-3x/week and diabetes has not been an issue in the family--so when I'm there, I do make meals I like and tend to use a lot of chicken, lean meat, fish. The good news is he doesn't drink, not at all. Once in a while, wine is used in cooking, but not a lot.
I didn't think so...just pointing out that when you leave, he will most likely go back to his normal eating. Even I kick about giving up some of my favorites and I understand down to the molecular level exactly what I'm doing. I am an effective Diabetics Counselor, but it's a case of do what I say, not what I do. Knowing first hand and knowing people, I do work with what they want, help get in what they need and recommendations for medical management, if that's how they want to handle it. But, I DO work with the elderly, Quality Vs Quantity, they most often opt for Quality and I don't disagree with this option.
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On the contrary, I'm not suggesting anyone go on a low fat diet. Fat is absolutely necessary for good health.

What I am suggesting is replacing some of the fat consumed from land animal sources with healthier fats from vegetable and marine sources, and especially bumping up sources of omega 3 fats, which help reduce inflammation.
Our diet consists of primarily fats, proteins and carbohydrates.

I wish somebody could correct me if I'm wrong. The pre-diabetic and diabetic problems are primarily those of eating carbohydrates, not fats or proteins.

Yeah consuming fats can be related to cholesterol problems. But not diabetic problems.
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Eating the wrong fats can increase your triglycerides, which will break down (long process) into sugars...increasing your risk of insulin resistance and Type II Diabetes. It's not just a function of carbohydrates that leads to Type II Diabetes, it's the overall diet. Carbohydrates are just broken down faster.

Lean Proteins...the best thing to reduce your risk of Type II Diabetes; monounsaturated fats, those from plants, are the best way to regulate your triglycerides levels, ultimately reducing your risk of Diabetes and Heart Disease.
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Our diet consists of primarily fats, proteins and carbohydrates.

I wish somebody could correct me if I'm wrong. The pre-diabetic and diabetic problems are primarily those of eating carbohydrates, not fats or proteins.

Yeah consuming fats can be related to cholesterol problems. But not diabetic problems.
All foods other than simple sugars and starches, are broken down into a host of nutrients, including fats and protiens. Actually, fats usually end up as triglycerides in the blood.

Let's face it kids, do the research and you will find that the body works best when it is exercised and fed a wide variety of foods, with none of them taking a staring role. Even within the food groups, we must eat wide varieties. You may love tomatoes, and hate cabbage, but both offer nutrients that are needed by the body, and are unique to those veggies. Fish is great, as is rabbit (very lean protien), but too much fish can give you an overload of heavy metal, and other toxins, while if you only eat rabbit, you can poison yourself with protien (I'm not sure that poison is the right word, but you get the picture). Even too much water can rob your body of electrolytes and water-soluble vitamins and other nutrients, leaving you weak and unable to perform. Lose too much potassium and your muscles quit working properly.

Meat is a great food source. Red meat is a great food source, but in moderation. Fat is required to deliver some very important nutrients to the body, and is used by the body as an energy source if needed, again, fat is to be consumed in moderation.

Increase the variety of foods in your diet, and you can decrease the need for vitamin pills and supplements. Get some sunlight, and your own body will provide you with vitamin D.

With the variety of foods that I enjoy, I still don't mix it up enough. I eat too many fried foods, and starches. I won't get into the why's. I know better than to be eating so much of those foods.

I have one of my kids who is trying so very hard to feed her family proper meals, with the correct kinds of foods, and lots of variety. But she too, knows how to make all the foods that will slowly do you in. They taste so very good.

Proper nutrition has been made more difficult by the prices of foods that are available to us, and the inability to grow our own, or hunt for our own foods from the wilderness. I often wish I could have been alive four hundred or so years back. Btu then again, there would have been no eyeglasses to improve my vision.

Wow, do I ever get wordy at times. I think it's time to go to bed. Goodnight everyone.

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