"Discover Cooking, Discuss Life."

Go Back   Discuss Cooking - Cooking Forums > General Cooking Information > General Cooking
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 01-13-2007, 04:08 PM   #11
Head Chef
 
lulu's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: England
Posts: 2,039
I think its a relevant topic. That said, I'm not contributing this time, other than to say that this is IMO relevant.
__________________

__________________
In omnibus amor et iustum
lulu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2007, 05:18 PM   #12
Master Chef
 
Michael in FtW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 6,592
I'm a first generation "off the farm" kid and I don't understand the intent of this thread. I spent a lot of time (weekends and summers), up until I graduated high school and went into the Navy when I was 18 in 1967, on my Uncles' farms - well, a farm, a dairy, a beef cattle ranch and a "poultry" farm/egg ranch.

As the majority of the population moves away from the farm they have lost the understanding of what happens to bring the groceries to the table. So, it seems "barbaric" to them. LOL - they should have seen my grandma walk out to the chicken coop and wring a chicken's neck with her bare hands!
__________________

__________________
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain
Michael in FtW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2007, 05:28 PM   #13
Chef Extraordinaire
 
Katie H's Avatar
Site Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: I live in the Heartland of the United States - Western Kentucky
Posts: 15,159
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael in FtW
LOL - they should have seen my grandma walk out to the chicken coop and wring a chicken's neck with her bare hands!
I understand what you're saying, Michael. I grew up in a rural farming region and still remember, fondly, the awesome taste of fresh milk - right from Bossy. Fresh eggs, etc. I'm almost exactly your age so I know of what you speak.

I vividly remember my MIL going out to the chicken yard to get our "dinner," which was going to be fried. My son saw her and came inside to report to me," Mommy, mommy, grandma broke a chicken."

The dinner was delicious, of course.
__________________
"As a girl I had zero interest in the stove." - Julia Child
This is real inspiration. Look what Julia became!
Katie H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2007, 05:55 PM   #14
Executive Chef
 
amber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: USA,Maine
Posts: 4,099
My point as well Michael and Katie E
__________________
amber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2007, 06:30 PM   #15
Master Chef
 
Constance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Southern Illiniois
Posts: 8,175
I apologize for posting the thread...I certainly didn't intend to offend anyone. I should have stated that the opinions expressed there were not my own.

I have seen related subjects posted here, concerning faux gras, overcrowding of factory chickens, and inhumane slaughtering methods, and I thought this article might make for interesting discussion. Obviously I have made a major faux pas.

You all know I am not a vegetarian. I believe that the fishes of the sea, the fowls of the air, and the cattle of the land were meant for food.

Gee, I'm sorry. Don't be mad.
Attached Images
 
__________________
We get by with a little help from our friends
Constance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2007, 06:38 PM   #16
Chef Extraordinaire
 
Katie H's Avatar
Site Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: I live in the Heartland of the United States - Western Kentucky
Posts: 15,159
Be assured, Connie, I certainly wasn't offended. What I got from the information and the discussion was that today's folks don't understand how the steak or bacon gets to their table as thoroughly as the folks, years ago, who produced it did. It doesn't get there by magic and has to be "processed" in some manner to be consumed. I still miss the yummy freshness of those goods that came right from its source. I won't get that unless I have a farm of my own. At my age, that's not gonna happen. Boo hoo. The closest I get is having an herb and vegetable garden.
__________________
"As a girl I had zero interest in the stove." - Julia Child
This is real inspiration. Look what Julia became!
Katie H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2007, 06:41 PM   #17
Master Chef
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Culpeper, VA
Posts: 5,806
I wasn't offended either.
__________________
BreezyCooking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2007, 06:47 PM   #18
Sous Chef
 
Nicholas Mosher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 768
I'm definetly not squeemish about "Where dinner came from", but I do think some practices are a little out of hand, mainly from an environmental standpoint (especially our waterways).

Here is the Rolling Stone article I read on Smithfield Farms...
Rolling Stone : Pork's Dirty Secret: The nation's top hog producer is also one of America's worst polluters

I believe Smithfield has been banned from operating any farms in South Carolina because of this. They earned some of the largest EPA fines in the history of the organization. Of course for them it's just a drop in the bucket. Much cheaper to pay a few fines now and then just wash all their BOD-slug fetid basins into the waterways of North Carolina.
-----
While I have nothing against breeding things like chicken and growing them to maturity the way we do in confined spaces and mass-farms, I do lift an eyebrow with some of the slaughtering techniques such as the "hang n' slash" method. I'd much rather see butchers lopping off heads or wringing necks than a malfunctioning/jammed machine dicing the legs and wings off live chickens as they flop around on a wire/hook. Of course that would drive chicken prices up though, and people would complain for what to them looks like the same exact product in a foam tray wrapped with plastic. Alas, my Chicken Marsala is more important to me than a few tortured chickens, so I buy what's available and fresh. When there is an option though, I tend to make informed purchases.

Here is a great video to watch. It's from a favorite film of mine entitled "Baraka" (well worth a purchase by the way). Its about the natural world, people, society, and the interactions of all. Basically a movie on sociology and ecology. This is a scene that shows similarities between the machine that is daily human life in modern urban society and the machines of a chicken processing plant (not slaughtering, just processing baby chicks for those mass-farms).

It's on You-Tube...
__________________
Nick ~ "Egg whites are good for a lot of things; lemon meringue pie, angel food cake, and clogging up radiators." - MacGyver
Nicholas Mosher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2007, 07:10 PM   #19
Chef Extraordinaire
 
Uncle Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Small Town Mississippi
Posts: 17,392
Connie....

Uncle Bob will send many many braves with many arrows in your defense too if need be!!!!!!

Or maybe I'll just send a couple of guys outta N.O or Chicago to have a "chat" with them....

We must.. all of us.. respect the opinions of all others here!!!

"Ain't" America great!!!!
__________________
Uncle Bob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2007, 07:42 PM   #20
Head Chef
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Illinois/USA
Posts: 1,343
Everything means sacrifice; Like Grandma really wanted that job!

If you knew the sacrifices oilfield workers make to get a barrel of oil to the gas pump, you would get a job a little closer to home. Most of them work seven days a week 12-14 hr days.

There is a lot more sacrifice on the human side of life.

Ever been to one of those petting zoos and help overfeed the animals?

Ever tried to feed a cow with a hamburger? Bacon to a pig? etc.

Ever been paid $1 a bushel to pick apples, dig potatoes, chop a cord of firewood, shovel snow?

I would ride my bicycle to the gym but then I would be too tired to exercise.

I would go on a diet but I can't afford food right now.
__________________

__________________
StirBlue is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Discuss Cooking on Facebook

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:22 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.