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Old 04-10-2016, 06:07 PM   #31
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They don't. That's just the manufacturer jumping on the gluten-free marketing bandwagon.
GG, this is probably the best way to sum up my original point...

Today, I saw two ridiculous things in the store. One, "gluten free" salami... and two, "zero trans fat" potato chips.

I guess we're not supposed to use rough language on here, so... #$#%**&!!%$#%@!!#%

How was that???

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Old 04-10-2016, 06:28 PM   #32
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GG, this is probably the best way to sum up my original point...

Today, I saw two ridiculous things in the store. One, "gluten free" salami... and two, "zero trans fat" potato chips.

I guess we're not supposed to use rough language on here, so... #$#%**&!!%$#%@!!#%

How was that???

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It is good to note that you are following the rules. The chips were most likely fried in vegetable oil instead of beef fat or some other animal. For those of us who have to watch our intake of fat, that is a good thing to know. McDonald's, Burger King and other fast food spots only used animal fats to fry their French Fries. But not anymore.
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Old 04-10-2016, 07:01 PM   #33
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GG, this is probably the best way to sum up my original point...

Today, I saw two ridiculous things in the store. One, "gluten free" salami... and two, "zero trans fat" potato chips.

I guess we're not supposed to use rough language on here, so... #$#%**&!!%$#%@!!#%

How was that???

RD

I'm not sure why you think they are ridiculous.

Trans fats have been used in the manufacture of potato chips for a very long time. Many people need or choose to avoid Trans fats for health reasons since many doctors consider it the worst kind of fat to consume.

So knowing that a particular brand of chips doesn't contain them is very good information.

Regarding gluten free salami: things containing gluten are often used as fillers in meats like salami and bologna. For people with a gluten allergy, knowing that their salami has no gluten is a really important thing.

Once again -and with due respect - I think you need to learn a lot more about the things you are criticizing. Much of it is off the mark, IMO.
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Old 04-10-2016, 09:40 PM   #34
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From what I read ( I'm definitely not claiming to be any kind of expert on this), There are 'Certification Procedures) which a company, farm ..must abide by to be legally considered Organic ( which differ from country to country). And with these procedures comes 'Certification Costs' that the company / farms must pay to be allowed to advertise as being an Organizing Food Product. And with this Certification comes the involvement of government, and we all know how that works.

So are there laws and regulations? Absolutely. Does everyone follow these laws ? I would hope so, but I would be naive to think that people/ companies aren't greasing politicians to look the other way so they can pass whatever certifications they may need to get that " Organic' word on their label.

How often do we see on the news about recalls or fines to companies, who get caught with their pants down, after an independent study, by some 20/20 or 60 minutes type of journalists who run random tests and find out the product isn't what you think it is ?

Or lets take the politician in Michigan who ( Im not sure of the exact details, but was in the news recently) who said the water was safe, just to find out there were astronomical levels of lead in the water. We all know anything grown their, using such a high lead water base as irrigation, can't be all that healthy for you, yet up until a few months ago, no one knew.

So getting back to my original post on this thread. I try to stick with places I know , and hopefully I can trust, to get my produce and food products. And if I can grow it myself, I do ( at least for the months Mother Nature allows me to).

Sadly, the mighty dollar often over shadows peoples / companies values. If there is a way to maximize profits by cutting corners, greasing politicians, duping the public, just to get that ' table' on the product for advertising purposes, they will do it. Only one benefiting out of this are the Politicians who get greased, the companies who are benefiting from the increased mark-up by having those health ' tag words' on their packaging, and the lawyers who ultimately have to defend the companies after an independent study was performed ( sorry politicians and lawyers, nothing personal). And the only ones who get hurt, are the consumers who get charged in excess for this organic certifying process, and often don't get what they are paying for.

Marketing also has a field day with this as well. How often do you on the label, " Natural Fruit juice", then you read the fine print, and that only accounts for 5% of the juice. Or the terms Antioxidants, Organic, Whole Grain, Cleansing, 100% natural... Often products may technically fall in to the above category, but are loaded up with other things that may not be healthy for you, but still fit the qualifications to have a certain word on its label ( Notice how the unhealthy stuff isn't in big print). Gluten Free, is the latest health catch-word. Trust me, I'm in the medical profession, I know that there are many issues where a gluten free diet is mandatory for a persons health. But the marketing people are smart, and take these words and pound them into our brains to sell their products. 99% of the time, the consumer doesn't even know what these terms mean, they just know it is associated with good health, and therefore, worth the extra price.

The above is totally my option. May or may not be 100% factual, but Im kinda guessing Im not that far off base.

Sorry guys, this is what happens when I can't sleep, get up at 4am, and go on a rant.

Oh, and another thing, Im fully aware that you can't believe everything you find on the internet. For every article I find to back up my opinions, everyone else can find another that counteracts my thoughts. Guess the internet makes us all experts, and watching Dr. Oz makes us all physicians

One more disclaimer, as unfortunately people are starting to feel like they are being singled out or verbally attacked, My above response was written with no direct person or forum member or in fact, no country in mind. Its just my answer to the original post as to why, for the most part, I agree and feel that we are getting ripped off, and we should all be wise consumers as to what we buy , where we get it from, and how much we pay.
I just want to applaud your post. I know some 'organic farmers', they pay $700 per year to be 'certified organic' and they are invaded by government people for inspections of their property in order to use the words 'organic' to sell their ducks, chickens, eggs, turkeys. Those are expensive words. I don't blame them though. They get higher prices but I sometimes wonder if paying the government that fee and getting higher prices makes much sense business wise to them. I buy 'fat free soda', for my husband. I laugh at fat free candy, as though you need much fat for a sugar candy to taste good. 'Sugar free' stuff, stuff that never had sugar in the first place. I sometimes think that the religious practice of some religions makes sense in terms of 'fatting up the cow', where cow are fed corn to 'fatten them', makes for a tasty cow. All that marbling in the meat makes for such a succulent steak. You've all been there, seen that, don't deny it that it was tasty. In that religion it's frowned upon to feed humans corn and there is no question that corn does fatten us humans up. Wheat is a good food in that religion, no corn, just wheat. I'm not involved in that religion but I do give them credence for that belief. There is a belief out there that GMO's are some terrible thing. They are maybe, but there is only a few foods that are genetically modified, while the term 'gmo's' are spread far and wide needing labeling so we don't poison ourselves with them. I grow garlic, and I can't tell you no one has ever accused me of genetically modifying it. Garlic has never been genetically modified, that I have ever heard of. Ever. But the invasion of my methods don't get a break. I bring in horse manure and then compost it and then grow the garlic. Now it's not an unknown thing to do this but the organic gardening people are now putting restrictions on using horse manure or how you compost it. GOD ONLY KNOWS how this process of planting garlic or anything produce is now going to be regulated because MY bacteria in manure is worse than YOUR bacteria in manure. YOU MIGHT GET SICK FROM MY BACTERIA IN DIRT. It's ********** dirt. The last thing I'd do at this point is to ask the government or the organic people organizations to get some advice or have them investigate, invade, my property or gardens because GOD FORBID I may be doing it wrong. They'd be sure to tell me of my terribleness breaking all kinds of organic laws. How silly is it to worry that there are things such as organic laws. Just look at the lettuce market and how it is grown in dirt, or manure mixed with dirt and all those bacteria and never washed and the stupid consumer doesn't know better and doesn't WASH IT. You must at some point realize that you must wash your tomatoes and cucumbers and lettuce, even if you buy it at a store 'prewashed'. It's like a McDonald's customer not realizing their coffee was HOT, YES IT'S HOT don't burn yourself and then sue McDonalds over it. Even worse, they grow potatoes, IN DIRT, then supermarkets wrap them in plastic, how is it that trapping bacteria from dirt, trapped in plastic wrap in a warm humid environment isn't dangerous because bacteria from dirt is probably digestively able to kill you and it just might probably do that. But Larry, I just wanted to say, you have a good rant and many good points made. I agree and I'm 'all for you'. Many good thoughts coming your way.
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Old 04-11-2016, 05:57 AM   #35
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I'm not sure why you think they are ridiculous.

Trans fats have been used in the manufacture of potato chips for a very long time. Many people need or choose to avoid Trans fats for health reasons since many doctors consider it the worst kind of fat to consume.

So knowing that a particular brand of chips doesn't contain them is very good information.

Regarding gluten free salami: things containing gluten are often used as fillers in meats like salami and bologna. For people with a gluten allergy, knowing that their salami has no gluten is a really important thing.

Once again -and with due respect - I think you need to learn a lot more about the things you are criticizing. Much of it is off the mark, IMO.
I agree that some of this stuff is fine and "on mark." My point is that far too many producers and manufacturers of convenience foods use these trendy buzz words to sell their products.

Take potato chips... labeling them as "No trans fat," to me, that's almost trying to make them sound like they're good for us. What is actually "good for us" concerning potato chips is - to NOT eat them.

Gluten free salami... same thing. The "Gluten Free" part was bigger than the company's name that makes the stuff.

I swear, before we know it, we'll be able to buy bottled water (another joke all on its own) that is organic, free-range, artisan, gluten free, trans fat free... on and on.

When it gets to the point where I see organic, artisan, gluten free and free-range toilet paper... I'm jumping off a bridge... into a big pile off doo doo.

Later this morning, I'm going to the store to buy some bananas. But not the ones that have that purple tape (eye catching, isn't it?) wrapped around them... Those are ones for 1.29 a pound rather than the standard-issue .79 ones, which I've been eating for 54 years.

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Old 04-11-2016, 06:41 AM   #36
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Old 04-11-2016, 06:46 AM   #37
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:13 AM   #38
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I agree that some of this stuff is fine and "on mark." My point is that far too many producers and manufacturers of convenience foods use these trendy buzz words to sell their products.

My point back is that these are not always "trendy buzz words." They are meaningful market distinctions to many people. Maybe not to you. But to others. So what's the point of criticizing them? Just don't buy the stuff.

Take potato chips... labeling them as "No trans fat," to me, that's almost trying to make them sound like they're good for us. What is actually "good for us" concerning potato chips is - to NOT eat them.

I'm not sure that anyone with half a brain would think that frying chips in oil without transfats makes them "good for you." But it certainly makes them better than if they were fried using transfats. If you are going to eat chips, what's the better choice? And, if you want to make that choice, wouldn't you want the bag to carry a clear label?

Gluten free salami... same thing. The "Gluten Free" part was bigger than the company's name that makes the stuff.

I'm really curious about why that bothers you. People with gluten allergies will ordinarily skip past cold cuts altogether unless they are assured that they are gluten free. Why wouldn't a manufacturer want customers to know this loud and clear?

Gluten allergies are serious and can be debilitating. There is gluten hidden in all kinds of processed foods. Manufacturers are waking up to the fact that people on a strict no-gluten diet (for whatever reason) don't buy their products unless they know that they are gluten free. So you see it on labeling more and more. Why isn't that a good thing?

I swear, before we know it, we'll be able to buy bottled water (another joke all on its own)

In a way.... unless you live in Flint

When it gets to the point where I see organic, artisan, gluten free and free-range toilet paper... I'm jumping off a bridge... into a big pile off doo doo.

Have you looked at the poached egg thread here?

If not, do! But please be sitting down. And clamp a towel in your jaw ...

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Everyone here would probably be interested in some of Michael Pollan's great books about food ...
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For a lot of people, the differences in price are critical. If you cannot afford non-GMO/organic fruits and veggies, do you forgo fruits and veggies altogether rather than eat the others?
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For a lot of people, the differences in price are critical. If you cannot afford non-GMO/organic fruits and veggies, do you forgo fruits and veggies altogether rather than eat the others?
Price is a big factor for me and a few others here. Since all my foods except for two canned veggies that I use ice cold and with Ranch Dressing, are from scratch, I have to watch my purchases with price in mind always. I would love to buy only meat from Black Angus, grass fed only cattle. But the difference in cost can be more than just a couple of dollars per pound. On my income that is just not possible. I need to buy produce also. And that includes all my vegetables and fruits. I will purchase the least expensive apples so that I can make my own applesauce. And they don't have to be pretty.

Just keep in mind that the so call "grass fed" beef that you are purchasing is not necessarily so. Unless the farmer is out there each spring spreading grass seed, he has no idea of exactly what his cattle is eating. He just knows that they are not eating corn products. So he can get a higher price for his product. I have no problem with that. And "Free Range?" All ranchers and farmers have a fence surrounding their property. So how free range is that?

It is just a label. Common sense and knowledge is more than useful when grocery shopping.
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