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Old 03-12-2014, 11:45 AM   #11
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I'm missing something---- why was that stainless steel roasting pan keeping your birds from browning?
I'm not sure. It's the roasting pan of evil. I tried it again with a chicken when we didn't have company and it wouldn't cook either (yes, the chicken was on a rack). Maybe the two inch tall sides were reflecting all the heat away from the food. It was a really pretty roasting pan.
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Old 03-12-2014, 12:15 PM   #12
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I'm not sure. It's the roasting pan of evil. I tried it again with a chicken when we didn't have company and it wouldn't cook either (yes, the chicken was on a rack). Maybe the two inch tall sides were reflecting all the heat away from the food. It was a really pretty roasting pan.
I have a lasagna pan like that. If the food is entirely in the pan, there is no radiant energy (infra-red) that strikes the bird. The only heat transfer method becomes conductive, where the bird touches the metal, and convective, where air touches the food. The metal readily transfers heat into the bird, as it absorbs energy from convectiive and radiation scources. but air is not a good heat transfer medium.

When roasting food in the oven, the food heats due to three possible sources, convective, conductive, and radiant. Infra-red is emitted from the oven walls, floor, and top. This is the same kind of energy as put out by the sun, or a heat lamp. Unless your oven is a convective oven (one that has a fan to move the air around), the air touching your bird doesn't move around a lot. So, it doesn't pick up heat from touching the hot oven surfaces, or release it into the food very well. So, in a non convective oven, putting shiny, metallic things around the food eliminates the infra-red heat source, causing your food to cook more slowly, and not brown properly. Teh radiant heat is the primary mechanism for browning the food.

To eliminate this problem with you shiny pan, use a rack that lifts most of the food above the pan walls. Alternately, use a roasting pan with short walls.

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Old 03-12-2014, 12:43 PM   #13
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Chief, how well does your lasagna pan work for lasagna? That pan hasn't been thrown out yet, but it is in a "to go" pile.
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Chief, how well does your lasagna pan work for lasagna? That pan hasn't been thrown out yet, but it is in a "to go" pile.
Oh it makes fabulous lasagna. I can stack it eight layers high, and feed an army. But it takes serious coin to purchase enough ingredients to fell that beast. I still usually go 4 layers, at the most, and use it for pot lucks and such. To make lasagna in it for me and DW would have us eating it for a month, or cutting into enough for meals and freezing it.

Though we love it when we make it, it is a very heavy food, best eaten between the ages of 18 moths, and 40 years of age, you know, when we were high output creatures that never stopped moving, and felled trees with a chop from our bare hands. Ok, maybe I used and axe, but it still involved the use of serious personal effort.

But yeh, it makes great lasagna. If you can't use it, sell it, or give it to someone who can. A good lasagna pan is a terrible thing to waste.

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Oh it makes fabulous lasagna. I can stack it eight layers high, and feed an army. But it takes serious coin to purchase enough ingredients to fell that beast. I still usually go 4 layers, at the most, and use it for pot lucks and such. To make lasagna in it for me and DW would have us eating it for a month, or cutting into enough for meals and freezing it.

Though we love it when we make it, it is a very heavy food, best eaten between the ages of 18 moths, and 40 years of age, you know, when we were high output creatures that never stopped moving, and felled trees with a chop from our bare hands. Ok, maybe I used and axe, but it still involved the use of serious personal effort.

But yeh, it makes great lasagna. If you can't use it, sell it, or give it to someone who can. A good lasagna pan is a terrible thing to waste.

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I'll give it a try with lasagna. I think you can understand my past reluctance to experiment with that much ingredients. If it doesn't work for the lasagna, I will throw it away. I won't even give it to a charity, 'cause I don't want someone else wasting time and money on it.
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I'll give it a try with lasagna. I think you can understand my past reluctance to experiment with that much ingredients. If it doesn't work for the lasagna, I will throw it away. I won't even give it to a charity, 'cause I don't want someone else wasting time and money on it.
Can you turn it into an indoor smoker, Taxy? My Cambridge smoker is basically a lasagna pan with another pan and a rack inside, with a lid. You can improvise with a cookie sheet or foil as a lid.
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Can you turn it into an indoor smoker, Taxy? My Cambridge smoker is basically a lasagna pan with another pan and a rack inside, with a lid. You can improvise with a cookie sheet or foil as a lid.
Hmm, now there's an idea. I'll see if it works for lasagna first.
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Hmm, now there's an idea. I'll see if it works for lasagna first.
The Cambridge manual also states you can use the smoker for lasagna.
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Another Christmas diosaster. Helping Mother cook Christmas dinner which included a goose. Anyone who's ever cooked one will know that you have to keep taking the bird out of the oven to siphon off the fat.

Mother's kitchen was incredibly badly designed - a galley-style plan (long and narrow) and there wasn't a work surface next to the stove so I had to put it on the surface opposite the stove. I put downthe roasting tin full of goose fat and goose , Mother asked me a question, I turned to answer her, caught my elbow on the roasting tin and knocked it on the floor. Goose and tin were quickly rescued and shoved back in the oven and then we set to to clean up the mess on the floor. It took us nearly an hour, several rolls of kitchen paper and three buckets of boiling hot soapy water to get rid of the fat.

And the real disaster was - no goose fat to roast the potatoes!
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What a wonderful potential mother-in-law! Hope the boyfriend went up many many points just based on his mom!
FWIW, the boyfriend and I parted ways about six months or so later. He turned out to be not as easy-going as his Mom.
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