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Old 07-06-2015, 01:30 PM   #31
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GG and what are your thoughts re. this....

every time HUD schedules an inspection, he has to lower the temp in both places and then turn them up again after the inspection is done.

Can you respect such a disgraceful practise? You say 2 wrongs don't make a right but, equally, such underhanded tactics forfeit the right to command respect in the first place!! I would have no qualms in doing what Addie did....sometimes common sense and/or a need to make a situation more amenable/practical is bypassed in the robotic tendency to obey rules at any cost. Hmmm
What are you talking about? She says it's illegal to raise the temperature of the water, but her son does it anyway, then lowers the temperature before inspection to hide what he's doing. She also admits that the elderly can't feel hot temperatures as well which can lead to severe burns. She's putting her own safety at risk for no apparent reason.

Who is being disgraceful and underhanded?
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Old 07-06-2015, 02:19 PM   #32
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What are you talking about? She says it's illegal to raise the temperature of the water, but her son does it anyway, then lowers the temperature before inspection to hide what he's doing. She also admits that the elderly can't feel hot temperatures as well which can lead to severe burns. She's putting her own safety at risk for no apparent reason.

Who is being disgraceful and underhanded?
I quoted the wrong bit by mistake. Addie has already revealed that neither management or maintenance follows the rules of HUD....pause for thought and concern methinks!

Furthermore, it would seem that her safety is not at risk since this adjustment is not exactly a new situation.
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Old 07-06-2015, 02:31 PM   #33
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there are thermostatically controlled mixer valves. because the water loses temperature as it travels miles and lightyears through pipes in very large buildings. the actual hot water heater output is much higher than "safe"

the temp is reduced at some point by mixing cold&hot - could be per floor, per zone, could be per sink/fixture.
Exactly. I am on the second floor and at the opposite end of the building from the boiler. It can take almost five full minutes for warm water to reach my pipes. For the shower, even if I have the faucet on full hot, it only comes up to warm. Anyone here enjoy cold showers? I don't. And I am not fond of washing my dishes in tepid water. I am aware of what hot water does to elderly. I am not stupid.
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I quoted the wrong bit by mistake. Addie has already revealed that neither management or maintenance follows the rules of HUD....pause for thought and concern methinks!

Furthermore, it would seem that her safety is not at risk since this adjustment is not exactly a new situation.
Again, what they do is entirely beside the point. She's blaming someone else for her own wrongdoing.
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Again, what they do is entirely beside the point. She's blaming someone else for her own wrongdoing.
I guess explaining why she adjusts the temperature can seem like just blaming to those who look no further than blind allegiance to abiding by the rules regardless of whether the management and maintenance themselves do so. Sometimes common sense kicks in...just saying.
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I guess explaining why she adjusts the temperature can seem like just blaming to those who look no further than blind allegiance to abiding by the rules regardless of whether the management and maintenance themselves do so. Sometimes common sense kicks in...just saying.
Please tell me where she said why she increases the water temperature. I must have missed it.
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I guess explaining why she adjusts the temperature can seem like just blaming to those who look no further than blind allegiance to abiding by the rules regardless of whether the management and maintenance themselves do so. Sometimes common sense kicks in...just saying.
It seems common sense isn't so common anymore Creative. Common sense would tell you the rules against tampering with the hot water settings are for her protection and the protection of the elderly there. I don't get what's so hard to understand. If she doesn't want to abide by the safety rules, or like how things are run, she's not required to live there.
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Homeowners are allowed to adjust the temperature on their hot water tanks. I have mine around 120F.


From what I read on HUD's website, Addie's son is not breaking the law. There are regulations and guidelines for HUD housing. The guidelines stipulate that domestic hot water delivered to all units must be 120F. The inspection requirements are to ensure the building is maintained and that it is safe for the tenants to remove there.
Now, the lease/rental agreement may stipulate that the tenant cannot increase the water temperature in the shower for safety purposes.


At the commercial kitchen, I made the landlord adjust the water temperature from 108F to 122F. This doesn't sanitize the dishes, but it makes the hot water temperature to break the grease on any dishes. We use the three sink method. The middle sink is used for rinsing the dishes (also hot water) and the third sink is used for sanitizing. We have strips we have to dip in the water to ensure the right amount of sanitizer is added. At home, I rinse and then let the dishes sit in a sink with bleach added.
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(a) it's not the law - it is a public housing / HUD regulation.

(b) what you do in your own unit is your own business. you cannot demand the management to do out-of-bounds stuff for you. you can go as far out of bounds as your personal self would like.

unless one has some first hand experience with public housing - I submit one doesn't have a clue.

last century I was doing whole house rehab for public housing - funded by HUD. the HUD regulations took two 10 inch three ring binders, the city specifications took four 10 inch three ring binders and for 80% of the issues the two batches of paperwork tons conflicted directly.

I got quiet requests from the people in the neighborhood - example: "say, do you have a extra piece of plywood?" - turns out some dear lady taking care of her four grandchildren while the mom was in jail (....) had a rotted out hole in her floor - for three+ years... put a rug over it (yeah - that's strictly cartoon stuff - but stark reality - had the dining room table over the hole with the chairs tied to the table legs so her grandchildren didn't fall into the basement. work order open for three years.... I went and bought some d*mn plywood and fixed the floor. I got kids, too.

pick a pair of shoes and walk around in them. very educational.
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Please tell me where she said why she increases the water temperature. I must have missed it.
Because she thinks she can sterilize her dishes with hot tap water. As you pointed out earlier, that's just not true.
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