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Old 08-13-2007, 04:48 PM   #31
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But recycling is a very effective way of dealing with waste products, especially those that can not be avoided.
I think this is key though. Things like paper plates, cups, razors, and pepper mills can be avoided.
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:52 PM   #32
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I think this is key though. Things like paper plates, cups, razors, and pepper mills can be avoided.
As can batteries, plastic jugs, newspapers, magazines, and glass bottles.
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:57 PM   #33
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Disposable plastic pepper mills, cheese graters and the like that are designed to be thrown away after only a short period of use just seem very gratuitous to me. Very distinguishable from batteries, magazines and glass bottles.
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Old 08-13-2007, 05:01 PM   #34
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hafta take keltin's side on this a little bit. (thanks for doing all the math, btw) Using "real" plates and towels, etc. requires cleaning/laundering.

There's some energy expended in using a dishwasher, washing machine, dryer, etc.

Not to mention use of water that goes down the drain unless you're an engineer type who's figured out how to rig these appliances to pour the gray water on your plants (which you wouldn't want to do anyway with all the soap residue involved).

I think his main point was about what we are willing to spend our money on.
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Old 08-13-2007, 05:19 PM   #35
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Disposable plastic pepper mills, cheese graters and the like that are designed to be thrown away after only a short period of use just seem very gratuitous to me. Very distinguishable from batteries, magazines and glass bottles.
Actually, glass bottles, batteries, and magazines have a shorter lifespan than the McCormick Grinder. I expect it to last about 2 months or more (more for some of the more exotic blends), but batteries can go out in under a month (depending on the application). You can read a magazine in a day or two. A glass bottle full of soda or beer is good for less than an hour.

I don’t subscribed to many magazines (only 1, and it was a free subscription with a paid anti-virus plan) and I make sure it is properly recycled. I never buy a newspaper since I can get my news online or from the TV. I only use rechargeable batteries which can quadruple (or more) the lifespan of the battery, and I make sure to take the spent rechargeables to a reputable recycling agent that is setup to handle batteries.

Glass and plastic bottles are harder to get around......but I do what I can. For example, there is a local produce farm close buy. There’s an old guy there that makes homemade hot sauce and corn relish. He packs the sauce in glass bottles and the relish in mason jars. He doesn’t apply labels (the label/sign for what the product is hangs on the shelf). He charges 4.00 flat for the relish and 3.00 flat for the sauce. However, if you bring back the empty bottle or jar, and give it to him when you buy more, he will knock 25 cents of the purchase of the new product or give you a free produce item (usually a bell pepper or tomato). He washes , sterilizes, and reuses the bottles and jars. Pretty cool.

And I do use paper plates because there is only two of us, and we aren’t big fans of doing dishes, so disposable plates help on that end. But, again, the paper plates get recycled. In the past, I bought four different mills, a wooden one, a stainless steel one, a glass/crystal one, and a plastic ball type. All of them are gone now because I didn’t like them. I wonder if they got recycled since they were sold in a yard sale.
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Old 08-13-2007, 05:20 PM   #36
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I think his main point was about what we are willing to spend our money on.
In the end, you are exactly right!

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And also, one’s choices in where they spend their money shouldn’t open one up to condescension. I don’t tell people that they are fools for buying an e-Machine from Gateway, or turn my nose up at the person that bought a KVC speaker instead of a Bose, or shriek in horror because someone buys a CRT monitor instead of a flat screen plasma, or faint dead away because someone is still using dial-up.

As we all know, you get what you pay for.....and typically, you pay for what you need or more importantly, what you want. I paid for an inexpensive grinder because I don’t use it that much and I was curious. Turns out, the little McCormick grinder works way better than any of the premium grinders I bought years ago (I guess manufacturing these things has gotten a lot better in the past few years). So, I actually got more than my money’s worth since I didn’t expect a lot out of these little grinders in the first place.
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Old 08-13-2007, 05:53 PM   #37
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And also, one’s choices in where they spend their money shouldn’t open one up to condescension. I don’t tell people that they are fools for buying an e-Machine from Gateway, or turn my nose up at the person that bought a KVC speaker instead of a Bose, or shriek in horror because someone buys a CRT monitor instead of a flat screen plasma, or faint dead away because someone is still using dial-up.
Oddly enough though, your previous posts do sound like you're doing just that. The fact that you even bring the above up makes it sound that even though you might not voice the above, you're dying to & feel that way. Otherwise, why even mention them??

And even mentioning that they should be pleased you're not taking them to task for not buying Bose speakers or a plasma screen? You're some piece of work Keltin. You must be a true friend &/or a real joy to have at a party. Makes me nostalgic for the good old days working in finance in Manhattan. Do you watch "Mad Men" on AMC? You'd love it.

So glad you're happy with your inexpensive pepper grinder. Now I'll be able to sleep well tonight.
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Oddly enough though, your previous posts do sound like you're doing just that. The fact that you even bring the above up makes it sound that even though you might not voice the above, you're dying to & feel that way. Otherwise, why even mention them??

And even mentioning that they should be pleased you're not taking them to task for not buying Bose speakers or a plasma screen? You're some piece of work Keltin. You must be a true friend &/or a real joy to have at a party. Makes me nostalgic for the good old days working in finance in Manhattan. Do you watch "Mad Men" on AMC? You'd love it.

So glad you're happy with your inexpensive pepper grinder. Now I'll be able to sleep well tonight.
Not at all. I mention these things because understanding is often facilitated through example. It’s easy for some to get settled into a way of thinking and assume that way is right......for everyone. Then, it’s only a slip of the tongue (or was it intentional) that easily hurts another.

Some people believe that the golden rule is “Do unto others as you would have done unto you”. But what if you meet a masochists or sadist? I don’t want them doing to me what they enjoy.

I prefer the rule of “get what you give”. And you seem a bit upset about my theoretical remarks concerning the purchase of the higher quality electronics, yet remain silent when others advocated buying a higher quality grinder. Why is that?
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:13 PM   #39
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And what exactly do high-end electronics & pepper grinders have in common?

And "Get what you give" & "understanding facilitated through example" ????? You just sound like a big-time snob to me.
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And what exactly do high-end electronics & pepper grinders have in common?

And "Get what you give" & "understanding facilitated through example" ????? You just sound like a big-time snob to me.
Whether you buy expensive grinders or expensive electronics, it is YOUR choice. That’s the commonality. Should you be chastised for that choice?

And actually, the whole reason I even concocted the “examples” of electronics is because of the rampant “food snobbism” that I see regularly.

Mention that you shop at Wal-Mart, and you get blasted with long diatribes about how no self-respecting cook would ever buy meat, produce etc. from a large ugly box like that.

Use the wrong ingredient or cooking term and you’re likely to be confronted with an onslaught of condescending remarks about how a parakeet could cook better.

Eat at McDonalds and you’ll face post after post of how only a fool would submit themselves to such torture.

By a cheap McCormick’s grinder, and you get told you’re fool that got parted from his money.

It’s pure snobbery where the dealers are “in the right” and own the expensive item or cook the proper way.

However, look how quickly tempers flare when someone gets caught on the short end of the snob scale. Its’ not a fun feeling is it....and that is why I did it.
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