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Old 03-25-2014, 01:33 PM   #21
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@GG---- in post # 17 you referenced something that my 'find' function can't find.

And, strangely, when I 'quoted' for this post it didn't appear!

So here is it:

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Some scientists pointed out that the types of experimental rats used in the study are prone to tumors, says NPR. David Spiegelhalter, a professor at the University of Cambridge whose specialty is the public perception of risk, said in the New York Times that the “numbers of animals in each group was too low to draw firm conclusions.”

In addition, other scientists pointed out that the rats who ate a diet with a GMO concentration of 11 percent were less healthy than those whose diet contained a GMO concentration of 33 percent: if the experiment intended to show a link between developing tumors and GMOs, those who ate more GMOs should have been less healthy.

In Reuters, Mark Tester, a research professor at the Australian Centre for Plant Functional Genomics at the University of Adelaide, observed that, since genetically modified food has “been in the food chain” in the U.S. for over ten years, “If the effects [of Seralini's study] are as big as purported, and if the work really is relevant to humans, why aren’t the North Americans dropping like flies?”"

You were referencing AnthonyJs post:

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The health effects of Roundup cannot be understated. Research has linked exposure to the pesticide to Parkinson’s disease and cancers. Laboratory rats that eat Monsanto’s GMO food get tumors and die faster than rats that eat other food. Most children in Argentina where Roundup is used in high concentrations have been found to be in poor health, with 80 percent showing signs of the toxins in their bloodstreams.

Read more: 75% Percent of Rain and Air Samples Contain Roundup Pesticide | Care2 Causes"


Since that "75%" article was the only actual link AnthonyJ had offered I went to it and couldn't find what YOU said was there. Maybe my Find function didn't work as good as it should.

Clear as mud???

If you would post the url to your quote I'd appreciate it.
Thank you.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:06 PM   #22
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@GG---- in post # 17 you referenced something that my 'find' function can't find.
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Clear as mud???
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If you would post the url to your quote I'd appreciate it.
Thank you.
One of the links within the article Anthony posted goes to the article I quoted from: http://www.care2.com/causes/rats-eat...die-early.html

Sorry for the confusion.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:12 PM   #23
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One of the links within the article Anthony posted goes to the article I quoted from: Rats Eating GMO Corn Get Tumors, Die Early | Care2 Causes
Thank you---- I hadn't followed all the links within links.

And that proves that a study has to be devised so the results are non-biased. Sadly, that's not true of all research since the agency or group funding it plays a large part in how the study is constructed.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:41 PM   #24
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Thank you---- I hadn't followed all the links within links.

And that proves that a study has to be devised so the results are non-biased. Sadly, that's not true of all research since the agency or group funding it plays a large part in how the study is constructed.
That's true to an extent, but every institution that conducts research has at least one Institutional Review Board that reviews proposed research and study design for soundness. At the medical school where I used to work, the IRBs included researchers from other institutions and members of the community. Not saying it's a foolproof method, but they're there
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:54 PM   #25
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That's true to an extent, but every institution that conducts research has at least one Institutional Review Board that reviews proposed research and study design for soundness. At the medical school where I used to work, the IRBs included researchers from other institutions and members of the community. Not saying it's a foolproof method, but they're there
No, not foolproof at all. When a large amount of money might be garnered from a positive review well, then foolproof goes out the door. That holds true for both for-profit and not-for-profit IRBs.

A good pro and con discussion is found here:

PLOS Medicine: Should Society Allow Research Ethics Boards to Be Run As For-Profit Enterprises?

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"Why might we think that for-profit IRBs do these functions poorly? Perhaps being for-profit, they need to woo business, and so they are less independent of their clients, less inclined to be critical, and more inclined to overlook ethical problems.

But these potential difficulties are not unique to for-profit IRBs. Researchers who sit on not-for-profit, academic IRBs are evaluating their colleagues' research protocols, so these IRB members also have ties that may compromise their independence and critical evaluations. Furthermore, many academics tend to view IRB service as an uncompensated burden, which is not conducive to careful review work. Academic medical centers and their researchers also have their own financial interests in getting research protocols passed. They get money—as well as access to new drugs and prestige—for conducting the research. Many not-for-profit IRBs are also charging drug and device companies for review of their research protocols, and their rates are comparable to the rates charged by for-profit IRBs."

And Wiki also has something to say about IRBs--- both good and bad---- just as the PLOS article does.

There will be good IRBs and bad IRBs. Just saying an IRB has conducted the review isn't enough to guarantee a full ethical review, as you, GG, implied.
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My husband was telling me that some disillusioned scientists are trying to set up a system where studies are submitted to scientific journals before they are run and where the scientists promise to publish whatever results they get.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:44 PM   #27
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So back to my question from yesterday. If you don't trust the government, the universities or the companies, on what do you base your decisions? Alternative sites that don't actually do any research?
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According to a search on the 'Net, people do soak and freeze beans without cooking them.

Preparing, cooking, and freezing Dried Beans

Can You Freeze Already Soaked and Uncooked Butter Beans? | Everyday Life - Global Post

Which reminds me, I have a pot of beans in the fridge I better drain and cook...
Oh yes, you can but it seems a bit pointless, really. To me, anyway.
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Oh dear, I seem to have (erewigo) opened a can of beans in this thread.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist).
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Oh dear, I seem to have (erewigo) opened a can of beans in this thread.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist).
What does "erewigo" mean? I Googled and couldn't figure it out.
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