"Discover Cooking, Discuss Life."

Go Back   Discuss Cooking - Cooking Forums > General Cooking Information > General Cooking
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 03-29-2014, 06:31 PM   #41
Assistant Cook
 
AnthonyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: On The Moon
Posts: 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by cave76 View Post
I'm not sure what you would think as ''proof'' of why I don't trust them. But I first want to make it clear that I'm very happy that we DO have the FDA, universities and most companies. But it's not a blanket endorsement of them for there are times when all of them fail us at some level.

The Bayh-Dole Act and it's consequences is one of the 'proofs' while not giving you a 'hand in the cookie jar' video.

So here are some things I dug out from my saved documents from other discussions in other forums.

FDA
Wiki
"The FDA's federal budget request for fiscal year (FY) 2012 totaled $4.36 billion,[2] while the proposed 2014 budget is $4.7 billion.[8] About $2 billion of this budget is generated by user fees. Pharmaceutical firms pay the
majority of these fees,[8] which are used to expedite drug reviews
."

Citation # 8 on Wiki
*************************************
"The drug industry is already the primary funder of the FDAs operational budget through the payment of user fees. The FDAs proposed 2014 budget, a whopping $4.7 billion, includes a proposed increase of $821 million, 94
percent of which is to be funded by drug companies. While some believe self-funded regulatory agencies to be a good thing, others feel it allows industry to have major leverage over FDA policy decision making. "

Drug Take-Back Programs Coming To A Municipality Near You
***********************************
Criticism of the Food and Drug Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
**************************

Dr. Herbert L. Ley, Jr ----retired FDA Commissioner ----said:
"After his resignation, in an interview to the New York Times, Dr. Ley warned the public about the FDAs inability to safeguard consumers. People were being misled, he believed The thing that bugs me is that the people think the FDA is protecting them - it isnt. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks its doing are as different as night and day, he said. The agency, in his opinion, did not have the motivation to protect consumers, faced budget shortfalls, and lacked support from the Department of Health,Education, and Welfare ."

Herbert L. Ley, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
****************************************
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AboutFD.../UCM265774.pdf

(Pages 42-47) Kinslow Report
Thank you for all of your research Cave. This is what I was talking about. The pharma companies have found a way to expedite approval for their drugs by essentially buying the FDA and paying them to skip important testing phases. This goes hand in hand with lots of university studies. When a university needs grant money, they *many* lean towards a biased report that favors an institution that will give them funds for the other research they are looking to do. It's all about the money. As the old adage says everyone has a price. It's an unfortunate thing.

I personally take into consideration several reviews before coming to my own conclusion. I am not a scientist and I do not claim to be doing any studies on my own, but I take several sources and combine their information. Places where they all agree, it would seem, are truth and places where they disagree, you have to dig deeper.

It seems I inadvertently started something that can in the end be taken as good. Everyone has been respectful and seems to be considering everyone else's sides and whatever evidence they submit to support them. The biggest thing is making people think and making them think outside of the box.

It's good to have conversations like this. It makes people think and talk and look deeper into things.
__________________

__________________
Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.

You start the game with a full pot of luck and an empty pot of experience. The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck.
AnthonyJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2014, 07:17 PM   #42
Executive Chef
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 3,029
erewigo Steelers, erewigo
__________________

__________________
CarolPa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2014, 07:20 PM   #43
Chef Extraordinaire
 
Dawgluver's Avatar
Site Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 24,098
Quote:
Originally Posted by CarolPa View Post
erewigo Steelers, erewigo
__________________
She who dies with the most toys, wins.
Dawgluver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2014, 08:19 PM   #44
Head Chef
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,759
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthonyJ View Post
The biggest thing is making people think and making them think outside of the box.

It's good to have conversations like this. It makes people think and talk and look deeper into things.
l agree, of course. I come from a background where points of views should be backed up with sources, citations and why that particular point of view is valid.

I'm a skeptic.

"The true meaning of the word skepticism has nothing to do with doubt, disbelief, or negativity. Skepticism is the process of applying reason and critical thinking to determine validity. It's the process of finding a supported conclusion, not the justification of a preconceived conclusion."

1. Critical Thinking



2. Asking the Socratic Questions

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4384

But all that critical thinking and references go out the window when talking about recipes etc. Thank goodness or we'd never have some of the good ideas/recipes here.
__________________

__________________
cave76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
beans

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Discuss Cooking on Facebook

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.