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Old 08-12-2007, 08:53 PM   #21
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Why would lead in any form be present in wood barrels? Or metal ones for that matter. US and other countries' food manufacturers have been lead free for decades.
I’ve got no idea which is why that statement in that article is not making sense. There must be something else to it.
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Old 08-12-2007, 09:13 PM   #22
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I agree. Maybe someone smarted than I will come along and offer an explanation.
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Old 08-12-2007, 09:42 PM   #23
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Is this the sign that you see?
That's the one.
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:10 AM   #24
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I found the following at this site:

Cider vinegar. The cider is placed in barrels (with their bung holes open) which are exposed during the summer to the heat of the sun. The acetification is completed in the course of about two years. The process of the fermentation, however, must be watched, and as soon as perfect vinegar is formed, it should be racked off into clean barrels. Without this precaution, the acetous fermentation would run into, the putrefactive, and the vinegar spoil. Cider vinegar contains no aldehyde. It contains malic acid, and therefore yields a precipitate with lead acetate. The absence of such a precipitate indicates that the alleged cider vinegar is a manufactured substitute, although a fictitious article might yield a similar precipitate.
A quick reading of the quote would seem to be saying that cider vinegar contains lead acetate.

However, a closer reading shows that it is actually giving a test to determine if the cider vinegar was made from cider or is "a manufactured substitute". See this reference Vinegar History which says, in part
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Vinegar was well known to the European alchemists of the middle ages. By pouring it over lead, they made a sweet tasting substance they called "sugar of lead", which was used well into the nineteenth century to smooth and sweeten a harsh cider. Unfortunately lead acetate is also very poisonous and it caused the early death of many a European cider drinker
The web article cited by Andy M is a quote from a book called The Dispensatory of the United States of America. This medicinal reference book was first published in 1833 and had 26 editions, the last edition was published in 1976. The edition cited was published in 1926.
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However, a closer reading shows that it is actually giving a test to determine if the cider vinegar was made from cider or is "a manufactured substitute".
Now that makes sense!
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:25 AM   #26
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it does indeed make sense, and as Bob said:

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Should we follow the Scientific route or the Money route?
we already KNOW the Science bit, so when it comes to things like this, Always follow the Money!
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