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Old 12-07-2013, 06:53 AM   #21
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When I told the server at my local supermarket that I wanted wine for cooking she led me to small 250 ml cartons. It does say red wine on the carton and it's 12.5%.

i just tasted it and would say that it's a reasonable table wine and will use it in my Lasagna recipe today.

I like the idea of freezing wine in an ice cube container, and using it for cooking, but would it make sense to freeze a medium to good quality wine?

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, red wine makes me feel sleepy and because of that, if I drink wine I nearly always drink white wine. I shared an apartment with somebody from Sardinia for six months who drank huge amounts of red wine every day and he told me, "Alcoholics always drink white wine". :-)
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Old 12-07-2013, 08:12 AM   #22
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In PA, wine cannot be bought in a grocery store. For a while the LCB had kiosks in grocery stores, but they did away with that, at least in my area. They are starting to sell beer in grocery stores, but not many.

I don't know much about wine and usually only buy it around the holidays. My guests let me know which ones are good by how quickly the bottle is emptied. Then I know that's a good one to buy again.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:03 AM   #23
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In PA, wine cannot be bought in a grocery store. For a while the LCB had kiosks in grocery stores, but they did away with that, at least in my area. They are starting to sell beer in grocery stores, but not many.

I don't know much about wine and usually only buy it around the holidays. My guests let me know which ones are good by how quickly the bottle is emptied. Then I know that's a good one to buy again.
I spent a year in Brazil and if you don't see a store with beer for example, you knock on somebody's door and ask where you can buy some. The reply will be something like, "Mrs. Garcia at number 22". You knock on her door, and she sells it to you from a large refrigerator.

The US and Europe are drowning under regulations.

My eldest son who lives just outside London UK says it's no longer worth going to his local park,

DON'T - Sit on the grass; run; ride bicycles; light barbecues; etc.

I'm in Portugal which is more relaxed about these things than most of the EU.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:13 AM   #24
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From what I've heard, most states in the US have gone to private liquor sales. It's been a political battle in PA for years and years.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:42 AM   #25
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I don't want to open a bottle of red wine just for this recipe, and if I do open one then I'll drink it all ;-)

Maybe not a bad idea after all? :-)

Would a stock or a mixture of red wine vinegar, water and sugar best?

Or something else?

Thanks

Michael

Ingredients Nutrition
2 tsp olive oil
1 brown onion, halved, finely chopped
2 garlic cloves, crushed
750g beef mince
2 x 400g cans Italian diced tomatoes
125ml (1/2 cup) dry red wine
55g (1/4 cup) tomato paste
Salt & freshly ground black pepper
Olive oil, extra, to grease
4 fresh lasagne sheets
55g (1/2 cup) coarsely grated mozzarella
Mixed salad leaves, to serve

cheese sauce
1L (4 cups) milk
1 brown onion, halved, coarsely chopped
8 fresh parsley stalks
8 whole black peppercorns
4 whole cloves
2 bay leaves
60g butter
50g (1/3 cup) plain flour
70g (1 cup) finely grated Parmesan
Pinch ground nutmeg
Salt & ground white pepper
Flavour?

Tradition (this sounds like a ragu for something like lasagne)?

or even

Why Not?

Actually I'd ask why no herbs rather than why red wine.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:51 AM   #26
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When I told the server at my local supermarket that I wanted wine for cooking she led me to small 250 ml cartons. It does say red wine on the carton and it's 12.5%.

i just tasted it and would say that it's a reasonable table wine and will use it in my Lasagna recipe today.

I like the idea of freezing wine in an ice cube container, and using it for cooking, but would it make sense to freeze a medium to good quality wine?

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, red wine makes me feel sleepy and because of that, if I drink wine I nearly always drink white wine. I shared an apartment with somebody from Sardinia for six months who drank huge amounts of red wine every day and he told me, "Alcoholics always drink white wine". :-)
First of all your Sardinian friend was a twit. Alcoholics will usually drink ANYTHING and white wine no more suggests that you are an alcoholic than it suggests that you are a woman. (I knew someone once who said that only women and homosexuals drink white wine!!!)

If you don't like red wine use white in cooking. My Italian neighbour insists that ragu should always be made with white wine.

Freezing - I've always worked on the principal that you don't cook with anything you wouldn't drink. I always freeze the remains of a bottle of wine to use for cooking if I'm not likely to use in the next day or so.
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In PA, wine cannot be bought in a grocery store. For a while the LCB had kiosks in grocery stores, but they did away with that, at least in my area. They are starting to sell beer in grocery stores, but not many.

I don't know much about wine and usually only buy it around the holidays. My guests let me know which ones are good by how quickly the bottle is emptied. Then I know that's a good one to buy again.
"In PA, wine cannot be bought in a grocery store" - probably a good thing in some ways if buying alcohol is made more difficult. Off-licences (ie liquor stores selling beer, wines and spirits) used to have to keep pub licencing hours rather than shop hours but this was relaxed when grocery shops were allowed to sell alcohol. Despite the law regarding alcohol sales it is pretty easy for kids to get hold of booze and there is a lot of competition among supermarkets leading to cheap prices. We have a lot of problems with teenagers drinking to excess here (some adults aren't much better).

As for choosing wines for a meal, you can't please all of the people all of the time. I usually buy what I like and what suits the menu when I have people to dinner but here it's usual for guests to bring a bottle with them. They can then choose to drink mine or what they've brought. My guests and I aren't incipient alcoholics and we don't drink an awful lot so the host tends to build up a small wine cellar
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Old 12-07-2013, 12:08 PM   #28
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You are talking about a half cup (4 ounces) of wine. Much of the alcohol will cook off.

And yes, you can substitute white wine in your recipe, if that's your preference. I would open a wine that you like, use the half cup in the recipe, and drink the rest with the meal or over the next few days.

Whatever you do, don't use anything labeled "cooking wine". If it isn't something you'd drink alone, it won't taste good in your food, either.
"Whatever you do, don't use anything labeled "cooking wine". If it isn't something you'd drink alone, it won't taste good in your food, either"
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I've always heard that and it makes me wonder why they even make cooking wine, and who buys it?
"who buys it?" People who don't know any better and/or want to do it on the cheap.

"why they even make cooking wine" Probably it's the stuff that doesn't turn out to expectations. I don't suppose they actually intend to make it. Or perhaps it's the cheap sort you buy in plastic bottles in French hypermarches (which can be pretty dire). There are always people out to make a fast buck.
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Do you have access to four-packs of 187ml bottles of wine? I keep one red and one white on hand just to use for cooking.

Some people freeze leftover wine in ice cube trays, then transfer to zipper lock bags, so they're available to throw into a sauce.

I wouldn't try to replace red wine with red wine vinegar; I'd just leave it out. It won't have the same depth of flavor, but it will still be good.
Can you buy the individual cans of wine? If you can - walk on buy, as the song says. They are vile
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