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Old 05-22-2012, 05:53 PM   #31
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Putting anything fresh that is grown in soil in oil creates a botulism risk. I'd check to make sure your steaming technique is safe.
thanks jenny but i've been doing it for years & never had a problem...oh...hang on...what..aaaaaaaaargh!
seriously though,i haven't had a problem in years of doing this,with herbs like rosemary,thyme & basil too.i'm afraid i'm an incorrigible sceptic(as opposed to septic which is the way i may end up if i'm wrong)when it comes to stuff like this & use by,sell by & best before dates etc.i check with my eyes,nose & fingers.if it looks right,smells right & feels right,well,it usually is right in my opinion
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:57 PM   #32
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thanks jenny but i've been doing it for years & never had a problem...oh...hang on...what..aaaaaaaaargh!
seriously though,i haven't had a problem in years of doing this,with herbs like rosemary,thyme & basil too.i'm afraid i'm an incorrigible sceptic(as opposed to septic which is the way i may end up if i'm wrong)when it comes to stuff like this & use by,sell by & best before dates etc.i check with my eyes,nose & fingers.if it looks right,smells right & feels right,well,it usually is right in my opinion
thanks anyway jenny
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Youre welcome! Just trying to bring facts to light.

You can be a "skeptic," but facts are facts. You can kill yourself through improperly handling fresh herbs, garlic or peppers in oil.

It's a huge food safety risk. Botulism is absolutely nothing to take lightly.

You may not have sickened yourself and others yet , but, like our GB's analogy on this goes ... You could have ridden 1000 times in a car without a seatbelt do you think you are safe ... And on 1001 you are thrown out of the car. Why take a chance?
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:07 AM   #33
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Youre welcome! Just trying to bring facts to light.

You can be a "skeptic," but facts are facts. You can kill yourself through improperly handling fresh herbs, garlic or peppers in oil.

It's a huge food safety risk. Botulism is absolutely nothing to take lightly.

You may not have sickened yourself and others yet , but, like our GB's analogy on this goes ... You could have ridden 1000 times in a car without a seatbelt do you think you are safe ... And on 1001 you are thrown out of the car. Why take a chance?
quote from the uk national health service:
How common is botulism?

Botulism is a rare condition in the UK.
Between 1980 and 2010 there were 33 recorded cases of food-borne botulism in England and Wales. Twenty-six of these were linked to a single outbreak in 1989 that was caused by contaminated hazelnut yoghurt.
Since 1978, there have been 13 cases of infant botulism. None resulted in death.
that's about one per year for a population of 55 million+.if you take out the 26 attributed to one source that's about one every 4 years.i think i've got more chance of winning the national lottery on those odds jenny!
i reckon if your name's on a bullet it's gonna get ya whatever you do.....
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:27 AM   #34
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thanks jenny but i've been doing it for years & never had a problem...oh...hang on...what..aaaaaaaaargh!
seriously though,i haven't had a problem in years of doing this,with herbs like rosemary,thyme & basil too.i'm afraid i'm an incorrigible sceptic(as opposed to septic which is the way i may end up if i'm wrong)when it comes to stuff like this & use by,sell by & best before dates etc.i check with my eyes,nose & fingers.if it looks right,smells right & feels right,well,it usually is right in my opinion
thanks anyway jenny
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Botulism doesn't make food smell bad. I would have mentioned it myself if Jenny hadn't beaten me to it.
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:30 AM   #35
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quote from the uk national health service:
How common is botulism?

Botulism is a rare condition in the UK.
Between 1980 and 2010 there were 33 recorded cases of food-borne botulism in England and Wales. Twenty-six of these were linked to a single outbreak in 1989 that was caused by contaminated hazelnut yoghurt.
Since 1978, there have been 13 cases of infant botulism. None resulted in death.
that's about one per year for a population of 55 million+.if you take out the 26 attributed to one source that's about one every 4 years.i think i've got more chance of winning the national lottery on those odds jenny!
i reckon if your name's on a bullet it's gonna get ya whatever you do.....
Might be very rare in the UK. But, we want to make sure that other people don't think it's safe to just plop some garlic in oil and keep it. I know you passed yours through steam, but I didn't even notice that until Jenny mentioned it.

From the Center for Disease Control website, CDC - Botulism, General Information - NCZVED

"How common is botulism? In the United States, an average of 145 cases are reported each year.Of these, approximately 15% are foodborne, 65% are infant botulism, and 20% are wound. Adult intestinal colonization and iatrogenic botulism also occur, but rarely. Outbreaks of foodborne botulism involving two or more persons occur most years and are usually caused by home-canned foods. Most wound botulism cases are associated with black-tar heroin injection, especially in California"
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Old 05-23-2012, 10:59 AM   #36
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Here is a pretty good list of peppers sorted by their scoville units.

Chili Peppers - a list of chili peppers and their heat levels
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Here is a pretty good list of peppers sorted by their scoville units.

Chili Peppers - a list of chili peppers and their heat levels
Thanks. I've bookmarked the site. I wish there were pix. I need one of those guides to identifying stuff for chilis.
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This site has even more with pics and you can purchase the plants.

ChilePlants.com - Chile Chart
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Many Thanks for the very informative post and the link to the Chili Pepper Variety Chart ... Very useful.

Appreciate your assistance in this matter.

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This site has even more with pics and you can purchase the plants.

ChilePlants.com - Chile Chart
Too many pix

I don't think I can import live plants without a colossal rigamarole.
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