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Old 08-29-2008, 03:19 PM   #21
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Get rid of the skymall magazine and give me my life vest back.
But, but... That's 250 pages of stuff I never knew I didn't need!
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:26 PM   #22
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My Father In Law worked for the FAA for many many years. On numerous occasions he even briefed the President of the United States on crashes that had occurred. He was specifically involved with crash investigation and prevention. I spoke with him about this and he agrees that chances of using the vests are very slim BUT it is ridiculous to not have them on board just to save some money.
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:57 PM   #23
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I would still want the option though. If G-d forbid i am ever in that situation with my kids, how am I supposed to keep them afloat on a cushion?

Get rid of the skymall magazine and give me my life vest back.

The cushions have straps on them and are actually very effective flotation devices. They are widely used on boats, canoes, etc.

If I were ever in that situation I would rather have the cushion than that cheapo life vest that you have to blow up with a straw.

Have you ever seen anyone buy anything out of that magazine?
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:04 PM   #24
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I am very familiar with those cushions as well as water safety. I was a white water canoe instructor for years as well as a water safety instruction. Those cushions have straps, yes, but you can not attach them to your body. if you lose consciousness then you are dead. If the water is cold and you loose feeling in your hands then you are dead. If you break your arm in the crash and cant use your hand to hold onto the strap then you are dead. If you are a child or infant then you are dead. At least with the vests they are a hands free device that will keep you afloat. Not to mention that the vests are designed to flip up face up even if you are unconscious so you will not die from having your face under water.

My parents were in a boating accident years ago. They had those cushions, but were not wearing live vests. The owner of the boat did not know how to swim. When the boat went down the first thing my dad did was yell to Richard to make such he had a cushion. He yelled back yes as he lifted it above his head to show dad. Yes he went right under the water as he did this.
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:48 PM   #25
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...Land yes, but it won't take that long to crash. If your plane is going down then it is going to drop to the ground in a lot less than 50 miles...
If a commercial airline is at altitude and not in "crash mode", 50 miles is plenty of distance to achieve the proper glide angle to get you back over land and aimed towards an airport or highway.
If it's descent is any faster than that, then I agree a life vest isn't going to do you any good.

However, if you're on that plane that crashed in the Potomac shortly after takeoff, I would rather have the vest, but it would probably be a lot easier to grab a nearby floating cushion than inflating a vest and putting it on once you are in the water.

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Old 08-29-2008, 06:11 PM   #26
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Your seat is your flotation device and I would think you could use that a lot quicker than a vest. When the plane is going down like a dart into the water, would you have the time or the where-with-all to put on and tie your life vest? I don't think I would remember where the vest was to begin with. The Jazz plane they're referring to flies over the Great Lakes and I guess their reasoning is that if the plane were to go into a "water landing" (I love that phrase) then the Coast Guard would be able to reach you in a very short time being only 50 miles from shore. Your flotation device would hold you til then. If you're unconcious, well, you're on your own. Now, who said to get rid of the skymall magazine???? No!
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Your seat is your flotation device and I would think you could use that a lot quicker than a vest.
And what about my kids?
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...The Jazz plane they're referring to flies over the Great Lakes and I guess their reasoning is that if the plane were to go into a "water landing" (I love that phrase) then the Coast Guard would be able to reach you in a very short time being only 50 miles from shore...
Are you fifty miles from any shore if you are flying over the great lakes
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This is all over trying to save a lousy 50# ? Maybe better yet they should make sure everyone goes #1 and # 2, I wonder how many pounds they could save then
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perhaps they will strip everything to the shell, issue earplugs, and call it a MAC flight.
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