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Old 03-27-2011, 09:28 PM   #21
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Today (Sunday, 27th) was a good day. Yesterday I thought it was the end, I really did. Today she just did what I consider normal "mouthing", and not much of that. If she lunged and snapped at husband, I didn't see it and he didn't tell me. So ...today we have hope for the future. I just don't get it, though. She was the perfect dog for 2 weeks, then became hell on wheels. We're really determined for this to work. My husband is the one who gave in to puppy lust, chose her from an ad the shelter printed. I was the reluctant one, calling and trying to get as much info as I could. Today I acted a bit on the cool side towards her and that seems to have helped. We've both been trying to spend lots of outside time with her, walking, fetching, etc; she really wants to be an outside dog. I guess it doesn't help that we had a crash in weather (freezing rain) that maid it pretty difficult for us (she seems impervious). But, at least as of now (9:30 p.m., Sunday), we all had a good day and she's (and husband) are both down and out for the count. Tomorrow I will call around and find someone more reasonably priced in the training area. Never needed it before, but am always willing to recognize when I need help.

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Old 03-27-2011, 09:30 PM   #22
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Oh, the squirt thing? Very effective with cats I've had ... very effective. This dog will attack the squirt bottle and shred.

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Old 03-27-2011, 09:58 PM   #23
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Tomorrow I will call around and find someone more reasonably priced in the training area. Never needed it before, but am always willing to recognize when I need help.
You could look into a dog walker as well Claire. They are cheap and you would only need one when you can't go out yourself.
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Old 03-27-2011, 10:10 PM   #24
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Oh, the squirt thing? Very effective with cats I've had ... very effective. This dog will attack the squirt bottle and shred.
Don't put the bottle low enough down when you squirt for her to get it. It is a very effective and non-threatening way if you make the water the "punishment" not the bottle or squirt gun.
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Old 03-28-2011, 05:11 AM   #25
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Do you have a PetCo to Petsmart near by? The sometimes offer classes at a reasonable rate.
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Old 03-28-2011, 07:52 AM   #26
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One thing I have noticed with a lot of folks who have 'problem' dogs is that they are afraid of hurting the dog's feelings. They want to reason with the dog, in a calm tone of voice. Dogs don't understand paragraphs--you have to communicate quickly and definitely.

If the dog is doing something that could lead to expulsion from the home, it is time to let the dog KNOW that what she is doing is wrong. Dogs do it to each other with snarling and physical contact--physical contact that does no damage.

Your husband needs to let her know that what she is doing is intolerable. Cesar Milan uses a quick poke to the throat area and an accompanying noise--like a CHHHH! sound. He needs to impress her that he is not playing, he is not going to tolerate being annoyed, and that she could get her butt handed to her on a platter if she doesn't stop NOW. He is not fooling!! If he does it right, she should back up and show some submissive behavior.

She is really young, she has lots of potential and this doesn't seem to be a major character flaw.
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:20 PM   #27
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Believe me, this is NOT my first dog. Husband looked at behaviors he was showing that might be encouraging her, but today I was walking through the house (remember, I'm 5'9" tall, I wasn't looking down or handling food, and she jumped up and snapped at my face, and came w/i an inch or two of connecting. At this point I'm very reluctant to put bad money after good. We've agreed to wait for another week, but no matter how you look at it, we've already paid $300 for her (more I think) and if she breaks skin on someone's face (and if she can reach mine, she can reach anyone's), the possibilities are more expensive that we care to contemplate. I just don't think it's worth it, so she'll probably have to go. If a child in my neighborhood was bitten in the face it would just kill me, and if parents decided to sue, it would kill my life.
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:35 PM   #28
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i am so sorry to hear this. what have you tried? if you have tried all methods suggested maybe it is time. i would suggest one method and keep it up til she gets the drift. i hate to give up on pets. to soft hearted i guess.
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Claire-You sorta remind me of me when i got my dog. Granted I don't have the same issues, but I really didn't think i could do it. The behavior that you're talking about for an 8month old puppy(not sure what kind of pup) sounds fixable. But as with any dog you will need proper training. With this jumping biting thing I would definitely talk to a trained professional. If you're not willing to spend money on it, i would rehome the dog. And not to sound mean, but i wouldn't get another one. Dogs are expensive-training or medical issues pop up, that's your responsibility. This dog is young and nay dog is trainable with the time, the tools and trainer. I wouldn't go to petsmart or any of those place since you're dog probably already knows basic commands. if it doesn't than you should go, but they will not teach you what you need to know in regards to the jumping and biting,.
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Old 03-29-2011, 09:00 PM   #30
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Jacky, it isn't simply money. It is that we have a lot of neighbors with young children, and many friends that are elderly, and we have them over often. I know that training this problem will take time, and meanwhile we have neighbors with children aged 2-12, and many elderly friends, who we have over often, and a bite in the face such as she tried to give me today would be a serious problem. We've always paid top dollar for our animals medical care. We waited for years to adopt again, and chose a shelter dog on purpose.

But at 5'9", just when I thought we were making progress, she jumped me and came within an inch of biting my face. This isn't just puppy mouthing. This is major aggressive. I had no food on me, and was just sauntering through the house. Yes, I'm sure someone with infinite patience, and no other people to think about, might be able to fix the problem. and no, I am a firm believer in the financial commitment of a pet and have had many and always paid willingly (hence, the already 300-400 commitment to this dog, which if I can't keep her, I will donate back to the shelter, plus some, and her med bills will be taken care of for another half-year). But I am not, NOT willing to have one of my friends have their faces disfigured while I'm learning to deal with her, paying more money, and still have to do the same. Right now, at 8 mos old (well, I guess it's 9 now), maybe someone who prides themselves on doing this and doesn't have anyone who they're concerned about injuring adopt her, they're more likely to at this age. The facility I got her from is a no-kill, and I'll be sending her back with ... not kidding, 6 mos of care, so you know it isn't money. I'm just concerned about my neighbors, because she's majorly agressive when she gets in a mood. Yes, I could take her to school and hope that in a few months she'll be acceptable. Meanwhile, I can't have any friends to my house, because I can't trust her even with me, when I'm alone in the house, she'll jump over 5' and bite me in the face. And she's getting worse by the day.

I never would have believed this myself. She only weighs 15 lbs, and 80% of the time she's adorable and loving. But I don't feel I can take a chance on having company come and having a bite in the face, and don't feel I can spend the time trying to get her professionally re-trained because I know from experience that kids and elderly ... well, it wouldn't matter what age. She hasn't broken skin but it is only a matter of time if she keeps up at this pace. We are the most calm household you could possibly live in. Once a child "pets' her too hard, or she decides to pull what she did on me today, we're toast. So I'm hoping someone for whom these are not issues will adopt her.

It is breaking my heart, because when she is good, she is very, very good. But when she is bad, she is, well, ridiculous. Having her teeth within an inch of my face this afternoon made me realize that this problem may be solvable for someone, but not for someone who has to worry about another person being hurt.

Right now she is sleeping, and being a good girl, and my husband and I have both cried over this. We've tried everything that everyone has suggested. And we'd be willing to do more, except that we aren't willing to chance her hurting our friends, and if she's willing to hurt us, well, maybe it is just time to give up the ghost. I'd like to have some friends over sometime this spring and summer after a long, cold winter, and having her continually lunging at their faces ....

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