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Old 06-21-2005, 01:59 PM   #11
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lol, you're right ronjohn, but the only problem with that is no one forces you to admit that you lived somewhere. so if you screw a landlord, forget you ever lived there. DO NOT use it as a reference, for anything, EVER!

just say you lived with a friend or your parents or something for those months.
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:09 PM   #12
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If an rental says no pets does that even mean visiting pets? (i.e. for the afternoon or several hours but not overnight). Just wondering...
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:12 PM   #13
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I think people are forgetting that college cook is a sublessee. Thus his contract is between him and the primary lessee(s) and there is no privity of contract between him and the landlord.

Which makes things complicated. Or easier.

Here's more of my 2 cents:

Do not stop paying rent. You have no real basis upon which to do so (based on what you have said) and most states require you to set up an escrow account and pay it into escrow while any dispute is being resolved (a hassle). Plus you owe it to the primary lessees anyway.

Most states also allow expidited eviction if you stop paying rent (as opposed to other reasons like loud music, pets or other lease violations). So if you do not pay the lessees, they might stop paying the landlord and trigger an expidited eviction.

Landlords can report failure to pay rent to credit reporting agencies. This information can be accessed by other landlords and creditors in the future. Because you are a sublessee, chances are slim that this would happen to you, but consider it when you are the primary lessee.

Again, I'd show that landlord a dated letter from a licensed vet that says the cat does not have fleas and refuse to pay the extermination bill. If the landlord tries to evict you for that, the letter will provide you with a defense. The landlord must prove that you caused the damages.
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:14 PM   #14
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Most of the time, yes htc, even no visiting, BUT, you can call your landlord and ask permission for that one. I ALWAYS told my tenants, "just call me" that's all I ever asked. Don't try to pull a fast one on me, because with things like that, I never had a problem as long as they fixed anything that the animal tore up.
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:14 PM   #15
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I am pretty sure it does htc. My brother and a couple of friends rent a house. They do not have any pets, but one of their friends who visits a lot does a dog. They had it written into their lease that they could not have any pets, but that Angus (the dog) is allowed to visit. The funny thing is they have had other friends with pets visit, but when they are at his place they just call every single pet Angus.
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:18 PM   #16
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College cook,
You should just go and ask what the laws are in your state. That's the only way your going to come out of this legally. Just find out what you can and can't do, and what your liable for. That way, there is no questions. Find the number for your housing authority in your area, they can tell you who to talk to.
Let us know how it turns out.
GOOD LUCK!!! :o)
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:22 PM   #17
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Did you pay a security deposit to the primary lessees??
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:43 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by jennyema
Here's more of my 2 cents:

Most states also allow expidited eviction if you stop paying rent (as opposed to other reasons like loud music, pets or other lease violations). So if you do not pay the lessees, they might stop paying the landlord and trigger an expidited eviction.
even expedited eviction in new jersey has still taken a month or so. i agree with jenny to continue to pay rent until there is a reason not to, like they lock you out, or shut off services, or refuse to fix something important like heat or water. but do realize that you are not resposible to pay rent if they create an unliveable situation. do not feel in any way that you must pay for the extermination. that is strictly the responsibility of the owner, even if you were in violation of the lease with a pet. you can prove that it wasn't your cat that created the problem. in fact, the owner is at fault for not taking care of the problem right away.

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Landlords can report failure to pay rent to credit reporting agencies. This information can be accessed by other landlords and creditors in the future. Because you are a sublessee, chances are slim that this would happen to you, but consider it when you are the primary lessee.
i asked my wife about this. dw has worked in management in both commercial and residential real estate for 20+ years , and has never seen anyone reported to a credit bureau. so i wouldn't worry so long as you pay your rent.

my advice is to get out of there. it sounds like you're getting a bad deal from the owner and original renters, and things like that usually don't get better...
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:57 PM   #19
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but do realize that you are not resposible to pay rent if they create an unliveable situation.
Remember that CC has a contract not with the landlord but with the "girls" (primary lessees).

And, though, Bucky is right ....... you usually have to establish an escrow account and pay the rent into the escrow account. You can't just not pay at all. Usually -- I dont know Indiana law like I used to . The rent stays in the escrow account until a court resolves whether the conditions in the apartment failed to meet certain standards (usually health code) or the landlord failed to meet conditions of the lease.

From what it sounds like this doesn't seem like a terrible situation. The landlord is pissed about the fleas... sees your cat and assumes the cat was the source of the fleas. [This doesn't seem that unreasonable a reaction.] If this were true, you would be responsible, ultimately, for the pest control costs. But since you can prove that the fleas did not come from your cat you are not responsible for the pest control costs unless the landlord can prove that you brought them in some other way.

Maybe the landlord will listen to reason?
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Old 06-21-2005, 03:38 PM   #20
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Maybe the landlord will listen to reason?
I can't speak for CC's landloard, but I would think that it would be very likely. I know I would. I have a rental property to make money, not cause undue headaches. Granted, there are limits that I have to observe in order to protect MY rights, but it's usually in your best interest to work things out.

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