"Discover Cooking, Discuss Life."

Go Back   Discuss Cooking - Cooking Forums > The Back Porch > Off Topic Discussions
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 06-19-2008, 06:43 PM   #51
Master Chef
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Cicero, IL
Posts: 5,093
Quote:
Originally Posted by DramaQueen View Post
Maverick, I didn't mean my post to be offensive or insulting. Remember I too smoked for 35 years until I got smart. When I said "stupid" I meant for you to think about spending up to $6.00 per day for cigarettes - that's about $180. per month - so complaining about the cost of gas is ludicrous. Why would anyone continue or start to smoke with that in mind along with the fact that you smell awful, are hopelessly tied to cigarettes, and know that it kills hundreds of thousands of people each year not to mention the array of illnesses that smoking causes. My husband suffered 4 heart attacks in 26 years. The doctors said that if he had been a smoker he would not have survived the first one. I guess I'm wondering why smart people start in the first place, knowing all this. Smoking is no longer cool. It IS possible to stop smoking. Millions have done it. I know I'm going to get flack on this one, but keep in mind, I have been smoke free for 22 years. YOU CAN DO IT.
I am not holding anything against you, I understand what you are trying to say I just think there was a better way to say it. And far be it from me to judge when I myself have submitted posts before that I should have read not only a second time but maybe a third time.
The biggest difference is 22 years ago they did not add in the additives they do today. They have made cigarettes now up to 5x more addictive then they were, and some in the medical community are now saying quiting smoking ranks up there with meth and cocaine addiction. Not sure if I buy into it being that bad, but it is much harder than it used to be to kick the habit.
That being said, with 2 heart attacks under my belt, a triple by-pass, and my COPD getting worse by the day, oh and now facing the prospect of perhaps more surgery, I really do need to quit, and fast.
But, you get more flies with honey than vinegar DQ. Cheer people on, support them, be there for them and maybe you can play a part in helping them quit. Your story can be inspirational, and should be put out there for us to draw strength and hope from.
Nagging, belittling, etc will only stir resentment and drive them away...
__________________

__________________
Maverick2272 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 06:45 PM   #52
Head Chef
 
MexicoKaren's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Bucerias, Nayarit, Mexico
Posts: 1,914
Insurance is risk-adjusted, and the insurance companies make very healthy profits. I understand the concept, and spent a good portion of my professional career lobbying for seat belt legislation, mandatory child protection seats, mandatory motorcycle helmets and tougher penalties for drunk drivers - using the same logic. But there are so many diseases that are lifestyle-related, where do you start and stop imposing penalties? Do you also know that smoking has demonstrated a protective effect against Parkinson's Disease, Alzheimer's Disease and certain types of endometrial cancer and breast cancer? I don't think the arguments are entirely conclusive.
__________________

__________________
Saludos, Karen
MexicoKaren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 06:48 PM   #53
Chief Eating Officer
 
GB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: USA,Massachusetts
Posts: 25,509
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick2272 View Post
You mean the insurance companies aren't making a profit?? Sorry, just had to throw that out there... I understand your point, but that is also the nature of insurance and variable premiums. The same argument can be applied to alcoholism as well, not just the alcoholics pay for their health problems.
You can make the same argument about many many things people out there do today, but until all the multi-billion dollar a year profit making insurance companies go broke I just aint gonna worry about them!

Public supported health insurance though, that is a much different beast and a much tougher issue.
I agree that the same can be said for alcoholism as well as many many many others things (drug abuse, people who are overweight, people who do not wear their seatbelts, and the list goes on). My point though is that it is not as simple as saying that it is my life and I can do what I want. Your choices affect others in many many ways. You can think that smoking is only harming you, but that is not always true.
__________________
You know you can't resist clicking
this link. Your eyes will thank you. VISUAL BLISS
GB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 06:52 PM   #54
Chief Eating Officer
 
GB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: USA,Massachusetts
Posts: 25,509
Quote:
Originally Posted by MexicoKaren View Post
where do you start and stop imposing penalties?
I am not advocating penalties. I am only saying that those who smoke and say they are only doing it to themselves really are not seeing the entire picture.
__________________
You know you can't resist clicking
this link. Your eyes will thank you. VISUAL BLISS
GB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 06:54 PM   #55
Master Chef
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Cicero, IL
Posts: 5,093
Quote:
Originally Posted by GB View Post
I agree that the same can be said for alcoholism as well as many many many others things (drug abuse, people who are overweight, people who do not wear their seatbelts, and the list goes on). My point though is that it is not as simple as saying that it is my life and I can do what I want. Your choices affect others in many many ways. You can think that smoking is only harming you, but that is not always true.
Very true, there is also second hand smoking and then of course the example we are setting doesn't help either...heck you could even mention the time it takes for the filters to break down in landfills, LOL.
But yes, not a simple thing at all.
__________________
Maverick2272 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 07:26 PM   #56
Head Chef
 
MexicoKaren's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Bucerias, Nayarit, Mexico
Posts: 1,914
Quote:
My point though is that it is not as simple as saying that it is my life and I can do what I want.
Oh, GB - I could not agree with you more! I am a strong believer that we all share a collective responsibility for one another, but I don't think I have ever really applied that principle to smoking. Maybe you have planted a seed that will finally give me the motivation that I need. Thanks.
__________________
Saludos, Karen
MexicoKaren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 07:34 PM   #57
Chief Eating Officer
 
GB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: USA,Massachusetts
Posts: 25,509
If you do decide to try to quit Karen then I am behind you 100% and will support you in any way that would help.
__________________
You know you can't resist clicking
this link. Your eyes will thank you. VISUAL BLISS
GB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 09:06 PM   #58
Executive Chef
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,630
Quote:
Originally Posted by GB View Post
I agree that the same can be said for alcoholism as well as many many many others things (drug abuse, people who are overweight, people who do not wear their seatbelts, and the list goes on). My point though is that it is not as simple as saying that it is my life and I can do what I want. Your choices affect others in many many ways. You can think that smoking is only harming you, but that is not always true.
Sorry dude, I'll spend my money how I please. I could care less what others think. I work for it, I deal with the consequeneses of making it, and I'll do what I please with it. I don't put my behind on the line everyday for others comfort.
__________________
Jeekinz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 09:09 PM   #59
Chief Eating Officer
 
GB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: USA,Massachusetts
Posts: 25,509
Hey don't take me wrong Jeekinz. I am not saying that you should not spend your money however you want. I am only saying that smoking affects other people in ways that people do not always think about.
__________________
You know you can't resist clicking
this link. Your eyes will thank you. VISUAL BLISS
GB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 09:18 PM   #60
Executive Chef
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,630
Bro, usually people start smoking because of a mistake in their life. It's not like the MEAN to throw second hand smoke at people or anything like that. It's hard enough trying to deal with the addiction than worry about others feelings on it.

Bottom line is it stinks, and most would rather not be addicted, but it is what it is for some.
__________________

__________________
Jeekinz is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Discuss Cooking on Facebook

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.