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Old 06-19-2008, 09:26 PM   #61
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I never said anymore MEANS to throw second hand smoke or anything like that. I never implied anything of the sort.

Again, all I was saying is that smoking affects other in ways that are not always obvious. And I was only saying that in reference to the person who said that it is their money and they will spend it however they want and it is no ones business. That is not completely true and that is all I was trying to point out. When that person is in the hospital for emphysema or lung cancer or any other smoking related disease racking up the hospital bills then that is affecting me and everyone else.

Do what you want, but do not say that it is no one elses business what you do because often times it is not that simple.
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:20 PM   #62
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:29 PM   #63
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The more crowded the world gets, the fewer the resources left, the more we have to start thinking of our neighbors. I do agree with GB on this one, but I do get peeved when people seem to apply it only to things that they personally don't like instead of the entire mentality.
Nothing ticks me off quicker than some yuppie complaining about my cigarette right before they chuck their recyclable into the wrong container than jump in their 8 mile per gallon Hummer and drive off...
I don't think asking for a little consideration or understanding is necessarily getting into someone else's business.
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Exactly my thinking, Maverick.

Yes I know that what I do, including smoking, affects those around me, but I do get tired of hearing about it from people who do plenty of things (that I'm not going to list here as I find myself happier not dwelling on these things and besides I don't feel the need to alienate half of DC at this time) themselves that affect my world in ways I would rather not have done.
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:23 AM   #65
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When that person is in the hospital for emphysema or lung cancer or any other smoking related disease racking up the hospital bills then that is affecting me and everyone else.
Because of the healthcare reform in Mass?

I can think of a bazillion ways tax dollars are wasted away that have much more of an impact on your wallet then some poor soul fighting for their life in a hospital bed.

If anyone chooses to quit, I will help them out as much as possible. But I do know some people that actually like to smoke. They like everything about it. Does that make them a bad person? You cant throw "using resources" or anything like that in their face because they smoke.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:00 AM   #66
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I quit smoking 22 years ago after smoking for 35 years. Started when I was 11. I tried several times to quit and couldn't get through the first 6 hours without a cigarette. I decided to go to Smoke Enders, threw away my cigarettes at the last meeting and never craved one since. I have no idea why, I just felt wonderful after the first day and no cravings.
I will NEVER go back to smoking not only because of the price of cigarettes, (biggest waste of good money ever!) but because I never realized how bad I must have smelled. People who smoke can't smell their own bodies and that's too bad. Those of us who don't smoke sure can smell you a block away. Your breath, your clothes, your skin and your hair reek. Never, ever again.





It'll be 14 years for me in late September since I stopped smoking.

I had stopped in '86 for two years, went back to it in '88 for 6 years, then in September '94, I had enough!

I wore the patch for two days and just never went back to it at all. Not even once!

Yes, you're right went you said that some people who smoke don't realise how offensive it might be to others! It is bad. And it DOES get into their clothes, skin and hair.

Massachusetts is supposed to be completely non-smoking in public buildings, restaurants, airports, bars and nightclubs - yet out in Springfield's bars and nightclubs, bartenders and patrons there are allowed to smoke indoors - showing absolutely no regards for the law!!
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:22 AM   #67
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Because of the healthcare reform in Mass?

I can think of a bazillion ways tax dollars are wasted away that have much more of an impact on your wallet then some poor soul fighting for their life in a hospital bed.

If anyone chooses to quit, I will help them out as much as possible. But I do know some people that actually like to smoke. They like everything about it. Does that make them a bad person? You cant throw "using resources" or anything like that in their face because they smoke.
No what I said had NOTHING to do with healthcare reform in MA and lets not let this get into a discussion about politics as we all know that is against the rules. People smoke, they get smoking related illnesses, they need medical care that insurance pays for. Insurance companies see how much they are paying for the things and raise their prices to cover the costs. This is true with every illness, but illnesses from smoking can be avoided. If you get cancer from inhaling asbestos and my rates go up because of it then that is fine. If you can cancer from smoking and my rates go up because of it then that is not fair to me and everyone else around me who chose not to smoke.

Jeekinz you keep posting as if you think I am telling smokers they can't do something or are somehow bad people because they smoke. I have never said or implied anything of the sort. I have been very clear in what I was saying and the ONLY thing I was saying is that smoking affects more than just the smoker in many ways. You can try to twist my words and make it seem that I am saying smokers should or should not do xyz or that I think smokers are lesser people, but that would be you saying those things, not me. Let me be ultra clear here. I have never said those things and never would say those things as I do not believe any of that.

And for the record, I am on of those people who enjoy smoking. I didn't just like everything about it. I LOVED everything about it. Do you think I think I am a bad person about it??? I honesty do not know where you are coming up with this stuff. ALL I said was that smoking affects others. How do you get that I think they are bad people out of that???

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I can think of a bazillion ways tax dollars are wasted away that have much more of an impact on your wallet then some poor soul fighting for their life in a hospital bed.
What does that have to do with anything we are discussing here? Who has said anything about taxes being wasted? You are the only one who brought that up and it really has nothing to do with this conversation.
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The more crowded the world gets, the fewer the resources left, the more we have to start thinking of our neighbors. I do agree with GB on this one, but I do get peeved when people seem to apply it only to things that they personally don't like instead of the entire mentality.
Nothing ticks me off quicker than some yuppie complaining about my cigarette right before they chuck their recyclable into the wrong container than jump in their 8 mile per gallon Hummer and drive off...
I don't think asking for a little consideration or understanding is necessarily getting into someone else's business.
I agree 100%.
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Thanks, GB. You're a good friend.
As are you. And I really mean it. When I quit I did it with two other friends. Two of us were successful and we both credit part of our success to the other. Without their support it would have been much more difficult. When the cravings got to be too much we would call each other or visit each other and help each other through the hard parts. That really helped me a lot.
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GB, let's say, hypothetically, that everyone quit smoking. Then there wouldn't be people dying from cigarette smoke, right? So insurance costs would be lowered.

Well, what about the missing cigarette tax dollars? The gov't will tap your wallet to recoup that. That's why I don't understand why the gov't endorses non-smoking ads, etc. It's a viscious cycle.

I never meant to bring up the politics side of cigarettes, you did in your comment. The insurance issue has political background. And to discuss it any further would lead to more politic discussion.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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