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expat you make me glad to be me....
my mom just left after an " I had to" visit....
this is why I ask.
I try VERY hard not to be emotional, but it doesn't work.
Anyone wanna adopt me? MIL is here and volunteered, but then that would just make things wierd......
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Thank you everyone for being you!
Happy 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'll adopt you anyday SQ if you're not a debate champ :):)..........I can't win an argument with my daughter these days for anything no matter what---it's awful.......hahaha...........no just hang in there........life will get easier as a parent I promise... when lego girl hits 12-15 then you're going to hit another hurdle in your lives------just have your seatbelts ready is all I'm saying............by then you will be older, wiser and have been around the block a few times and will be able to handle the next hurdle and maybe she'll surprise you..........this is God's laugh for the day...........Adam and Eve were probably teens.......no kidding.......and God had problems with them listening......why should we be different..........he practiced tough love and kicked them out, too....thousands of years of more problems.......so hang in there.........and yes, I'll adopt you anyday
 
Ah, now I see your reason for asking, Suzi. I'm curious about that too. What I hate is getting looked down on for being a stay-at-home mom. Having "no profession", although I have a bachelor's degree and spent two years teaching before having children. I miss teaching sometimes, but I wouldn't give up staying home with my children for anything. A lot of people complained about raising kids in a world like this one. That is precisely why I will not work again until my children are raised--I don't want anyone else raising them.
 
I commend people that want kids but as I posted before it was not for me. I'm 50 now but remember people all women of course thinking and saying I must be off or strange or I must not like men:LOL: as a young girl I always said I would not have kids. Now in this time it's much more acceptable. I have also had older women say to me " Don't get me wrong I love my kids and would not replace them for anything in the world. But?" We have to remember in years gone by there really was no birth control and a womens worth was based on having children. So I say Bravo to the women that want and crave children and to the ones that do not want or crave children. Doesn't mean we hate kids we just don't want to have them.
 
I hate to possibly offend again, but I gotta know.....
Do those of you without children fault or think less of those of us who do have them???
This was the beginning of the reason for asking, but did not want to start off with it.

I don't have children, partly because I have to take medication that is toxic to a fetus, but I also chose not to adopt, because I have chronic illnesses that I think would be too hard on a child, and too hard on me trying to take care of a child. So we "borrow" exchange students :) They're teenagers when they come to us, so it's much easier to take care of them.

I have always felt that everyone should be productive in life, but there are lots of ways to do that. Working at a paid job, going to school, raising children and/or volunteering with a charity or in the community are all great ways to contribute to society.

What drives me nuts is people who don't do *anything* - like my neighbor's daughter. She had two kids in her teens by two different fathers, and both children are now living with their fathers' families. She seems to spend her days sitting around smoking. She doesn't work or go to school. Doesn't do anything but smoke, as far as I can see. It's really sad to watch.

I hope this answers your question, Suzi. IMO, it's a great thing you're doing :)
 
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SQ, I think you initiated a really profound discussion that featured many different points of view and honestly expressed feelings. That's pretty rare on an internet forum, but this is an TRULY exceptional group of people. I am really impressed by the quality of this discussion and want to commend all of you for being so honest.
 
Why is it that when I write a response I think is important, it gets lost? Anyway, I chose childless,and anyone who wants to talk about it knows how to find me! Not everyone is mean to be a parent, and many who think they are really should think about it as well.
 
Not conclusive. A quick Googling shows Monsanto money funding Cornell studies.

Did you also notice the very last paragraph?

"more long-term studies on possible effects of bGH are needed"

I am not sure I would call that conclusive either when even they admit more studies are needed. And yes, I have always felt it wise to trace funding sources prior to making a decision on how reliable I will consider the study to be.
 
John was born 9 months 1 hour and 21 min. after we said "I do" ...Paul said "I did?" for the next 52 years....then Kevin came along 17 years after John and I thank God for him everyday. He is all that has kept me on this earth...really.
 
Sleep evades me once again, so I've been reading threads that interest me tonight.

Having children is a very, very personal decision...provided that decision is made beyond the back seat of a car or without the aid of an intoxicant.

I had a very dysfunctional childhood. Became the "parent" of my 4 younger siblings when I was 8-years-old. That should've been enough to "cure" me from wanting children of my own, since I never really had a childhood. Strangely, I wanted children from the time I was in elementary school. Buck always said I was a born mother.

My daddy was a doctor and I clearly remember asking him when I was about 13-years-old if there was a test that could be administered that could tell me if I could have children or not. He told me there was one but that it was costly and somewhat painful. Bear in mind this was in the mid-60s.

So...I married for the first time at 19. To a widower with a 4-year-old son. Shortly into the marriage we tried to conceive. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

Went to a doc. He told me it would be unlikely I'd ever have children due to a condition with my ovaries. I was heartbroken. Yet, he said, he'd order a series of tests to evaluate the severity of my condition. And, yes, my daddy was correct. The tests were expensive and not the most comfortable thing I'd ever experienced.

It was determined that I was a candidate for one of the earlier fertility drugs. It was either that or have surgery to have a "wedge" cut out of my ovaries to allow my eggs to escape in order to be fertilized. I opted for the drug.

Joy of joys, I became pregnant with my first son. However, it wasn't easy sailing because the pregnancy was, shall I say, challenging. Thankfully, in December 1970 we welcomed our son, who was healthy and sound.

Fast forward several years later. Wanted more children. Each one was gained via fertility drugs. By 1974 I'd had son, daughter, son. Tried for a 4th child. No dice but, by then, my marriage was in the toilet. Husband, as it turned out, had multiple girlfriends, roached our finances, was dealing child porn, and, ultimately, was fired from his secured government job.

Back up one year, in 1973 my daddy died suddenly and I became the legal guardian of my two younger sisters, aged 12 and 13. Now I had 5 children in the house and I was only 24-years-old.

In 1976 I became a single mom. I was a basket case and had been beaten down so much by my husband I was amazed Buck even looked at me twice.

Buck came with baggage, too. Not a pretty first marriage either and two young sons about the same age as my two oldest. Somehow it all meshed.

To use a cliche, we became the Brady Bunch and, again, I had a houseful of children. I loved it. Buck only had one younger brother and he discovered how much fun a goofy, large family could be. But, it's not for everyone.

Thankfully, all 5 of the children are close. Have been together since they were about 2-years-old, so they've grown up together. Celebrated birthdays together, shopped for Christmas presents together, etc. We were blessed because blended families are the things nightmares are made of.

I wish I had a penny for every time Buck said I was meant to be a mother. I'd be rich beyond imagination. I loved it when he said that.

This is my story and I'm sticking to it. I'm blessed that all the children are here for me and even though Buck's sons weren't born under my heart, they are in my heart and always will be.

For those folks who choose not to have children, you make your choice because you feel it's best for you and I respect that. Being a parent is not for everyone, but it's perfect for me.
 
I hate to possibly offend again, but I gotta know.....
Do those of you without children fault or think less of those of us who do have them???
This was the beginning of the reason for asking, but did not want to start off with it.

Oh goodness, now this is hard, because just as you don't want to offend neither do I. Most people, absolutely not! Some people ar truley gifted parents (I think my DH would be) and I would have a child myself (or 2) if I can. But there are some people, they used to be a minority, but there seem more and more of them, who I don't know why they have children, and its very rare they have one. SOmetimes I get a little sad that these poeple who seem not to care about what their kids eat, their education, their friends, can have children so easily and often and that I who would care passionately abou bing the best parent I could be can't, but prhaps that's just jealousy :blush: I seriously doubt anyone who bothers to frequent a site about cooking is one of those parents.

I seriously think opting to have more than two children in an overpopulated world merits serious consideration. But for those parents who are gifted I can see why the temptation would be great.

I hope my answer doesn't offend.
 
I think that this is a very provocative post that's remained amazingly free from ruffled feathers.......any disagreements or agreements tend to depend on your own family's history and everyone has their own baggage that they carry with to a marriage or relationship and the decision to have children or not to and then there are the stepchildren that also come along with it all and have to be considered like others have pointed out.....Susique, thanks, and I hope that people will continue to share their thoughts and experiences
 
JPM thank you for putting it so well. I followed through on my decision to remain childless. When I was young, I knew I would have a large family. I was the eldest of a fairly large family, and loved my role. However, Mom taught me that the judicious use of birth control was important to a loving family, and that there should be no unwanted children in the world, certainly not in her family. I married quite young the first time around and recongnised that my druggie husband was NOT father material. When I remarried (25 years now), I told my husband that I was not very tolerant of most methods of birth control, so .... kids or no? We discussed it and concluded .... no.

Now as we're celebrating our 25th year of marriage, my husband is gratefull to me for not just leaving it to happenstance the way most people do. We are watching our friends trying to raise their grandchildren because their kids simply won't take responsibility for their lives. Of course, we'd like to think that if we had kids, ours would be better. But that is a fool's paradise. Having children is a full time commitment for two people, not a part time job for one. My husband and I realized that we could take on that commitment, and were probably more suited to do so than most. However that responsibility should be taken on knowingly and lovingly and not be accidental.
 
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I haven't weighing in until now. First, I just want to say how impressed I am with everyone who has responded. This is one of those topics Mod watch with their teeth clenched and finger poised above the lock down button.

I'm one of those people who never actually had the opportunity to make a decision about having kids. God made that one for us. Didn't seem to matter how many methods of birth control were being used at once when God said "NOW" I got pregnant. Twice. LOL. I guess I should be grateful all our other ducks were either in a row or nearly there.

Since I work with families who are struggling with raising their kids I often ask myself why one person or another made the choice that they did. I believe that we all must know ourselves well enough to know if we are "parent" material. My hat is off to those of you who realized it was not for you. Parenting is about readjusting your priorities and putting yourself further down the list than you once were. If you can't or won't do that, you need to be realistic about your decisions. So many of the kids I see are so messed up because their parents are selfish -------- (fill in the blanks yourself) and consistently put their WANTS ahead of their kids NEEDS.

Ooops. Sorry. Off my soapbox now. In any case, the decision to get pregnant was not mine, but the decision to be a parent was. I will never forget the abject terror I felt when I realized I was now responsible for a life other than my own. It took me a while to come to terms with not being #1 on my list for awhile, but I adjusted. I think that must be why you get 9 months before the little boogers arrive.
 
I look at mot having kids as exceptionally generous and UNSELFISH.

My sister was selfish and had 2 kids because, in her words, she
wanted to "feel loved".
Once they got older, she pretty much stopped being a parent.
Both are high school dropouts; her daughter has 2 at age 21.
 
The baby borrowers got me thinking...
For those of you with no children, and no intent on having them.... why?
I get when you can't, you can't, or a bad relationship.... but my brother and SIL have decided not to, and I'm not sure why.
Yeah, they are loud and seem to interrupt things alot, but it's also the best thing I ever did!
Not passing judgement one bit.... just curious. :)

Those who don't want children probably have several compelling and personal reasons. They really shouldn't have to answer to anyone and should never be judged for not doing something that others consider essential. I'm not directing that to you but to all those who think it's appropriate to ask people that question and to ask it usually with a very judgmental attitude.

The better question to pose would be to ask those who say they want a child just what made them come to that decision. They are the ones who will affect us all with their decision to procreate. It's a decision that should not be made lightly or without much thought and consideration.
 
The better question to pose would be to ask those who say they want a child just what made them come to that decision. They are the ones who will affect us all with their decision to procreate. It's a decision that should not be made lightly or without much thought and consideration.

Agreed, but suzy, pregnancy is one of those things that happens accidentally even in this day and age. (OK, and lets not do the prolife vs prochoice debate here.) The point I'm making is rather that when "accidents" happen sometimes you just need to step up. This is a personal opinion of mine since I personally never actually made a decision to become pregnant. I just decided to be the best parent I could be once that choice was made for me.

I guess I'm saying the decision is not merely whether to become pregnant, but rather to be a good parent.
 
Agreed, but suzy, pregnancy is one of those things that happens accidentally even in this day and age. (OK, and lets not do the prolife vs prochoice debate here.) The point I'm making is rather that when "accidents" happen sometimes you just need to step up. This is a personal opinion of mine since I personally never actually made a decision to become pregnant. I just decided to be the best parent I could be once that choice was made for me.

I guess I'm saying the decision is not merely whether to become pregnant, but rather to be a good parent.

Yes, Alix, you're absolutely correct about those "accidents." But since the OP was asking about deliberate decisions, that what I focused on.
 
Understood suzy, and hopefully I was clear about saying it was a personal opinion of mine that I was sharing.
 

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