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Old 04-27-2006, 07:09 PM   #11
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My grandfather was superintendant in the largest coal mind in the world for a period of time. Almost all his underground men were immigrants.
He always told them that since this country had taken them in time of need, the least they could do was learn to speak English. I agree with that.

Our National Anthem should be sung in English, with the original words.

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Old 04-27-2006, 07:13 PM   #12
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When in Rome?Do as the Romans.Right?If you want the American dream then I say embrace it!Keep your culture of course and celebrate it but if you choose to live in another culture go with it.My mother came from Germany and had to do the citizenship classes and test.They told her in the 1950s you are no longer German,African etc you are now an AMERICAN!

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Old 04-27-2006, 07:23 PM   #13
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Oh Ya!I almost forgot when my mother came here I also came from Germany when I was 10 years old.I learned the language and so on it was not always easy fitting in but I did it.Yet I still totally embrace my German,Scott,and English Heritage.But Im an American.And thats that.
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Old 04-27-2006, 08:33 PM   #14
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OKay I'll say it... I'm offended.
This is getting unreal. And another thing.
those people who are offended by the phrase
"In God We Trust" sure aren't offended when
the money's in their hands now are they ???

If this is too political please yank it but that's how I feel and I want to get it off of my chest. Okay I'm done ranting now.
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:54 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by jpmcgrew
Jose can you see by the Juan's early light?Just kidding Im just being silly!
I tried to give you karma for that one, but it said I had to spread it around before you got more

Glad we're all on the same page, folks. I think we all had relatives from other countries. However, all my relatives learned to speak English and teared up at the sight of our nation's flag.

I heard a 30 second snippet on the talk radio station tonight.
It is beyond offensive. And, in June they plan on putting out
a remix.
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Old 04-27-2006, 10:10 PM   #16
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They claimed in the TV spot that the words were changed so the Spanish version would rhyme! I find that offensive. The original version in English rhymes. Sing that.
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Old 04-29-2006, 08:41 AM   #17
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i really don't have a problem with the mere existence of the national anthem in any other language. i am not offended by it at all, rather, i think it's great! i guess it should be ok to sing it any way you can, to express your patriotism. (so long as it's not french... j/k)

as far as word for word goes, do you really know what the words mean; what they were written about? (please edumacate yourself on this if you don't know, but already have an opinion.)

since the words are a metaphor about the survival of the american ideal through adversity and the continuation thereof by it's people, and not about war and explosive ordinance, why not let a new author have a little license? i mean, if anyone can match it word for word in another language and make it sound ok, then so be it.

having said that, i don't think it should be adopted in any way as an official type of national anthem, we already have one.
but if someone wants to sing it at a private or predominantly spanish speaking event, or play it on a spanish language radio or tv station, then that's ok with me.

it's about being american, and loving our country.

(of all of the american members here, i think that i am probably one of the most affected by non-english speaking americans on a daily basis. just on my block alone, there are 6 or 7 different languages that are most commonly used, at home and on the street.
it irritates the heck out of me that some people, from all over the world of all skin colors, are too freakin' lazy to learn to speak english and have been living here for years. i've known many who live comfortably in their own ethnocentric neighborhoods, but then can't hold a conversation outside of their communities to save themselves. but if they try; if they make an effort, i will bend over backwards to try to communicate with them. my thought is how would you want to be treated if you had to move to another country with a difficult language? and how would you try to fit in?)
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any sympathy i had has been lost over this development...
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Old 04-29-2006, 10:26 AM   #19
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It is true that unless we are native Americans, we came from somewhere else, no matter how many generations back it may have been. However, they and we must speak the language of the country we've adopted and that is only right. I agree that keeping the customs of origin is a great thing and what makes our nation a melting pot, but anyone living in American should consider themselves American and speak and follow the rules of our country. So many things lately seem to be a matter of the "emperor's new clothes", a case of pulling the wool over our eyes degree by degree until we are ready to boil over at the arrogance of people seeking the American way of life and spitting in our faces at the same time. As an American from about 6 generations, I respect my country, my flag, the national anthem, the laws and traditions and still enjoy learning the way of life my foreign born ancestors may have lived. I see no contradiction in this, but bringing a little country to America and denying everything except the wealth of our country is offensive to me.
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Old 04-29-2006, 10:38 AM   #20
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I agree with others that I'm not bothered by the fact that it's translated. Big deal, happens to everything everywhere. But keep the same words, that's bs. Plain and simple. People have had a problem with the words for a long time. They don't stand during it, they complain to whoever will listen, but they don't change the words (although some have tried.) They deal with it. I think I'm off to rewrite the Mexican anthem using the words taco, stealing, hombre and other words most people would find offensive. (jk) What's left in the world that we can take away or turn offensive somehow?

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