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Old 02-16-2007, 09:26 PM   #11
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Vera, here in OK, if the State Troopers see you with ice/snow/crud on the top of your car, it's a $186 fine. When we got the big ice storm a month ago, the news was all over this, that people should clear the tops of their vehicles off.
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Old 02-17-2007, 12:19 AM   #12
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Those people who don't clean their cars ought to come live here. They can join the dummies who drive up the mountain to see the snow, then (I kid you not) shovel snow ONTO their car/van/truck and drive down the mountain to show it to other people.

"look, Jimmy, it's called snoooooooow. it's cooooooooold."

Seriously, though, stay safe, guys, and kudos to all of you for cleaning off your vehicles!
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Old 02-17-2007, 12:55 AM   #13
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The dummies who drive up the mountain to see the snow, then (I kid you not) shovel snow ONTO their car/van/truck and drive down the mountain to show it to other people.

"look, Jimmy, it's called snoooooooow. it's cooooooooold."
You CAN'T be serious but, jath, you wouldn't make this up. What stupids!!!!
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Old 02-17-2007, 12:58 AM   #14
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there is a law in jersey, and it's being considered in ny as well. currently, it is only fines from $150 to $800 for each offense that causes some kind of accident or damage. doesn't seem stiff enough.

unfortunately, it's tough to crack down on. i lost a windshield to a chunk of ice from the top of an 18 wheeler on route 80 a few years back. most expensive sick day/ski day that i've had in my life. (i still went skiing that day, sans windshield. i just wore my hat and goggles and drove to the mountain).

unless you plan to run down the offending vehicle, how can you catch a person who causes the accident? the ice flies off their vehilce, causing wreckage behind as they speed away.
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Old 02-17-2007, 01:00 AM   #15
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I swear.
I didn't even tell you the worst part. Quite often these people are boys that are a year or two out of high school, (ya know, the kind that were popular then, but have no fame now?) and they bring their car-full to the local high school and act as though they just got home from the big ski trip. Yeah, like snow falls in rounded balls with rocks and pine needles in it.

Then there are the people who make snowmen on their antennaes and then drive down the mountain. Many a fool has lost an antennae that way.
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Old 02-17-2007, 01:01 AM   #16
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bucky, do they have streaming video of the freeway systems like out here?
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Old 02-17-2007, 01:07 AM   #17
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only in a few spots, mostly at major interchanges for traffic reporting purposes.

unless the coppers have secret cameras that i'm unaware of...

mmyah, see, they'll never catch me. top o' the world ma, top o' the world...
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Old 02-17-2007, 01:15 AM   #18
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Here it is the 40-ish Dads' who show off mostly to a bunch of little cub scouts. Can you imagine this, they take those kids out winter camping.
This is when I pull "RANK" on the old guys and keep my kids home.
They will pack snow in the bed of a pickup and stop by on their way home to drop something off.
LOL.....boys grow up to be men, husbands, fathers, & grandpa.
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Old 02-17-2007, 01:24 AM   #19
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wow, stirblue, i respectfully don't agree with that.

if handled intelligently, most scout trips are pretty safe, and learning to handle yourself in diverse and challenging environments is an important lesson for anyone, not just dads and scouts.
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wow, stirblue, i respectfully don't agree with that.

if handled intelligently, most scout trips are pretty safe, and learning to handle yourself in diverse and challenging environments is an important lesson for anyone, not just dads and scouts.
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I've been on many hiking and camping trips with my kids and they are really cool. Pack the necessities and travel light and stay together.
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The Scout Master made the kids take off their shoes and leave them outside the tent. All their shoes froze.
They left 2 kids to clean up breakfast and took the others on a hike to the fish tank thing. They got lost.
They were rescued by a farmer who took them to their vehicle parked on the blacktop about 4 miles from where they camped.
The Scout Master decided that he would return in the morning and pack up the camp. They forgot to go get the 2 kids.
The 2 kids hiked to the highway and a state trooper took them home.
The Scout Master and his Scout Assistant laughed at the parents and said "I can't believe we did that."
There have been no more camp outs since then (4 years ago) and many left the program as a result.
An average scout group is about six or eight kids. And you Lose two ?

The American Boy Scout image is much different from the actual experience.
There are no training programs for the Scout Master; except maybe some leadership brochure. The American Boy Scout Program comes under the Federal Police Agency along with the Park Police.
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