hey, where my scout buddy, gw, to back me up on this?
again, i respectfully disagree stirblue. there are lots of resources and even training courses and seminars to ready scout leaders. the threat of child abuse and associated lawsuits alone is reason enough to have training for scoutmasters.
check this out: Boy Scout Leader Training
what you had was a couple of butthead dads that i wouldn't trust to watch the kids in their own houses, let alone in the wilderness. i wouldn't really call it an indictment of the scouting program.
i have taken lots of friends, greenhorns through and through, from the city on their first camping trip. lol, sort of as the scout leader. if you think little kids can get into trouble, just watch what a bunch of drunken idiot friends of mine can do.
they're at their worst when camping in fair weather, but they sure do listen to me on the winter trips. funny how the threat of freezing your butt off helps to open the ears.