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Old 01-19-2007, 01:06 PM   #11
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How horrible. Thanks for the warning.
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:23 PM   #12
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My hair literally raised up when I read this lulu! I have used the same ebay password for YEARS and I changed it today. I'm sorry this happened to you but I'm glad you came here and told us.

I hope they catch whoever did this to you.
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:48 PM   #13
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...i deal with this type of thing every day.

I am a computer programmer by trade and deal with every part of computers from building to software. Security is my specialty. So many people get taken by phishing email its alarming. The number of phishing emails have gone up dramatically. No only that you have thinks like keyloggers/trojans/worms/ect. First thing never ever click on a link in an email for account verification for anything your worried about security related....like banks, paypal, ebay ,ect. If they say there is a problem with your account and you think its legit then go to your web browser and type in the web address for the site and navigate to wherever you need to. Never click on attachments in email especially with extensions like (exe, bat, ect). Don't even click on it if you know the person. My exgf wasn't every computer literate and i would get hordes of emails from here because she would click on any attachment and here computer was just full of email virus. So even if you know the person their computer might have been infected. Get a good antivirus program. I recommend kaspersky.... it is definitly the best. But if you can afford it there is a free virus program out there called AVG.

Some other things you can do to help is to run Firefox instead of internet explorer. Yes microsoft has improved security with their latest version 7 but there are things that still concern me. For example....ie7 still allows a web page to read information on your clipboard. Why? I have no clue. This is stupidity to allow this. Im sure there are corporate custumers that use it though. Anyways firefox does not allow this.

I think the direction of the current hacker community is into social engineering. Tricking the user to do something they should not. Only thing i can advise you is to be careful. Look for things that stand out. Even with phishing protection on the newest web browsers...these are not fool proof.

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Old 01-19-2007, 02:08 PM   #14
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Security is my specialty. So many people get taken by phishing email its alarming. The number of phishing emails have gone up dramatically.

I think the direction of the current hacker community is into social engineering. Tricking the user to do something they should not. Only thing i can advise you is to be careful. Look for things that stand out. Even with phishing protection on the newest web browsers...these are not fool proof.
ncage, in your opinion as a security specialist, besides phishing and social engineering, what part of the blame should go back to Microsoft and its various software ie. Windows, Internet Explorer, Hotmail, Word, Powerpoint, etc?
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Old 01-19-2007, 04:22 PM   #15
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ncage, in your opinion as a security specialist, besides phishing and social engineering, what part of the blame should go back to Microsoft and its various software ie. Windows, Internet Explorer, Hotmail, Word, Powerpoint, etc?
You asked a really difficult question here. So this is going to be a long winded answer. Do i think that microsoft has been lax in the past when it comes to security...yes. Generally microsoft to push revenue has tried to push lots of new features with every release. This only makes good business sense for a company trying to generate value for their stockholders. If they release a new version of their Operation System with no new features but only security related things...what will people say? Why am i apaying for bug fixes? So if they don't offer ne features they are paying programmers to update/fix their operating system and not having any new vehicle for revenue generation.

These New features make their software extremely easy to use but at the same time these features make it possible for hackers to fine new portals to attack machines. An example of a feature that makes usability is great but opens up a portal for attackers is allowing HTML (web pages) to be viewed as email. While it allowes interactive emails with animation and things like that it also allows easy attacks on your computer. Then you have the people in the community who are screaming right before microsoft is going to release a piece of software because they have software delays. Would you rather them release it and have all kinds of problems. My theory is its done when its done.

Here is another thing that microsoft has contend with. They have to add this new feature which will help productivity of a lot of its corporate customers and a lot of their customers are requesting it. They find later down the line that this was a bad idea. Well some of their big customers have millions of line of code based upon this technology and spent several million or more on. So do they disable this technology and risk some pretty major law suits probably or keep it open. Well in most cases they keep it open. Yes they can still disable it by default but i guarantee you a lot of users who don't know what they are doing will enable it. This has hit is where we work before :). Now who in the heck thought of allowing a web page to capture user clipboard data must have been half baked when he thought of this idea but microsoft is a big company and stuff can slip by. Im assuming they don't take this out because it would break a lot of systems.

That said microsoft has been a LOT better in the security arena lately. I would say at this point its even tops a lot of companies that you would think would be security oriented. I will give a good example. Oracle a VERY expensive database (multimilion dollar invenstment for companies sometimes) that has been hit lately with several complaints of all the security holes. Microsoft SQL Server i would consider to be pretty good. Microsofts new programming system (.Net) has had some bugs but has been pretty dang stable.

Ok then you hear those stories that the mac is more secure than windows...or linux is more secure than windows which i think are unfounded and here is why:

1) There are way way less linux/mac machines out there than windows PCs. Because hackers know that most users use windows thats where they focus their efforts

2) At least when it comes to Linux...people who generally know use linux know what they are doing. If they didn't they would be using windows. They generally do not fall for some of the simple things that someone without a lot of computer background would fall for.

3) There is no way to protect someone who won't think before they click. I know people who will open an attachment no matter what. That is why a majority of these security concerns exist. Hey if your going to run in front of a car how can i protect you? It all comes down to common sense in a lot of cases.

Ok the last issue i can think of is complexity. Windows and all the software yo use is EXTREMLY complex. It takes years with programming teams of hundreds of programmers to complete these systems. It is IMPOSSIbLE to code something this large and not have bugs. Its just the nature of the beast.

So do i think microsoft should be held accountable legally? No i do not. Now my opinion would change if there was a gaping hole and they just ignored it and left a lot of vulernable PCs open to attack.
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Old 01-19-2007, 04:51 PM   #16
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ncage, thanks for your reply. It sure raises a lot of issues to ponder about. But from all that you have said, I do think that when you advise us as to what and what not to do, there might be room somewhere to mention that even the best efforts of the average DC members may come to no good because of built-in limitations that come with Windows and the standard Microsoft software. I didn't imply even remotely that Microsoft is legally responsible. I only tried to generate some comments by you that would suggest to other members that the problems they face may not be always of their own doing.
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