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Old 08-14-2014, 09:50 PM   #61
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Does anybody think it is selfish to leave your loved ones in such a way? If a person who murders somebody else is hated, despised, guilty of taking them away from their family, why is a person who commits suicide, taking themselves away from their family, celebrated and their memory is showered with love and they become immortalized? Aren't they basically guilty of the same thing.

Not to offend anybody, but I don't get this reaction our society has with people who commit suicide. How we can forgive them for something we wouldn't forgive somebody else for simply because we like them while they were alive. It's like we accept suicide.
I liked his work, but I think what he did was wrong....and inexcusable....

I've read a few articles about how his suicide may give more attention to mental illness. Fair enough. But, I think it should also give attention to hurt and trauma it causes the people who are left behind. Let's be fair and tell both sides of the story...

Don't get me wrong. I liked him as an actor, but I can't excuse what he did. Nobody wants to be the unpopular person by saying anything insensitive, so we all take the sympathetic approach. Not sure it is the best way to deal with this issue.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:14 PM   #62
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Does anybody think it is selfish to leave your loved ones in such a way? If a person who murders somebody else is hated, despised, guilty of taking them away from their family, why is a person who commits suicide, taking themselves away from their family, celebrated and their memory is showered with love and they become immortalized? Aren't they basically guilty of the same thing.

Not to offend anybody, but I don't get this reaction our society has with people who commit suicide. How we can forgive them for something we wouldn't forgive somebody else for simply because we like them while they were alive. It's like we accept suicide.
I liked his work, but I think what he did was wrong....and inexcusable....

I've read a few articles about how his suicide may give more attention to mental illness. Fair enough. But, I think it should also give attention to hurt and trauma it causes the people who are left behind. Let's be fair and tell both sides of the story...

Don't get me wrong. I liked him as an actor, but I can't excuse what he did. Nobody wants to be the unpopular person by saying anything insensitive, so we all take the sympathetic approach. Not sure it is the best way to deal with this issue.
Severe depression isn't rational. Nobody in their right mind would do such a thing. Seeing my dad lose the will to live was terrifying. Did he want to hurt his family, I'm sure no, but the brain of someone severely depressed sees this as doing a favor for their loved ones, so they will no longer have to deal with them, especially if they are facing a debilitating illness.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:18 PM   #63
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I think open heart surgery also adds to the mix. We had a good family friend who had heart surgery, and he became depressed, surly, and totally not himself. Have seen it in several others since.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:57 PM   #64
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Anytime people are allowed to say whatever they want behind the veil of anonimity, you can bet money there will always be a few idiots who will abuse it. I've noticed the same sort of behavior when people are inside their cars driving. They often act much more aggressively than if they were standing right next to you. It's almost as if the ability to hide gives them license to be jerks.

On a completely unrelated note, this made me chuckle
“We will not tolerate abuse of this nature on Twitter," Del Harvey, Twitter's vice president of trust and safety, said in a statement.
Could someone please tell me exactly how does one get hired for the position of "vice president of trust and safety?"
You certainly have a point Steve. It's the primary reason I have nothing whatever to do with social media..tweets, facebook etc. If you want to speak to me, you have to call my home phone and speak with me. or my machine at that number. Good grief, why do people want to be so PUBLIC ?
Does nobody care about privacy anymore?
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Old 08-14-2014, 11:00 PM   #65
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Robin Williams was immortalized before he committed suicide. His way out was his way out and who am I to judge him for what he thought was best for him.

A shining star is gone from our world, this is very sad, same as if it had been a relative or friend. How he left, does not matter.
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Old 08-14-2014, 11:06 PM   #66
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Does anybody think it is selfish to leave your loved ones in such a way? If a person who murders somebody else is hated, despised, guilty of taking them away from their family, why is a person who commits suicide, taking themselves away from their family, celebrated and their memory is showered with love and they become immortalized? Aren't they basically guilty of the same thing...
I'm having trouble with your equating murder and suicide. Yes, the effect of both is devastating to family but I believe that's as far as it goes. Suicide is the desperate act of a troubled mind. Hardly the same as violent death at the hand of another person who commits the crime for personal gain.
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Old 08-14-2014, 11:15 PM   #67
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Robin Williams was immortalized before he committed suicide. His way out was his way out and who am I to judge him for what he thought was best for him.

A shining star is gone from our world, this is very sad, same as if it had been a relative or friend. How he left, does not matter.

Exactly.
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Old 08-14-2014, 11:17 PM   #68
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You certainly have a point Steve. It's the primary reason I have nothing whatever to do with social media..tweets, facebook etc. If you want to speak to me, you have to call my home phone and speak with me. or my machine at that number. Good grief, why do people want to be so PUBLIC ?
Does nobody care about privacy anymore?
That's why I didn't open and read the "Twitter vows" link regarding his daughter, from The Washington Post article a few posts above.....
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... If a person who murders somebody else is hated, despised, guilty of taking them away from their family, why is a person who commits suicide, taking themselves away from their family, celebrated and their memory is showered with love and they become immortalized?...
Each illness causes death in its own way. Heart problems might cause enough death in the heart muscle to make it cease to function. Cancers cause tissues to multiply to such a degree that they consume the very life that fuels them. Depression has its own ways of accomplishing an exit strategy. Many with depression take the route of ending the pain by their own hand. This is news because Robin Williams dying of depression by his own hand is a celebrity event. His family bears the burden of mourning in public. Many families deal with the same pain in private.
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I cannot judge.

He passed, and I will miss him. Sometimes life throws us curves, and those can hurt.
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