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Old 05-09-2016, 01:38 PM   #1
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Singing the praises of the "natural" life

NATURE DOESN’T GIVE A [darn] IF YOU LIVE OR DIE.
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By the age of one, how many times had modern medicine saved your ass?

What about by the age twenty? How about now?

How many times has nature tried to kill you? Strep, staph, weather, tsunamis, all the vaccine preventable illnesses, tooth decay, allergies that range from life-threatening to “goddamnit, it’s spring and the trees are [reproducing],” and whatever the [darn] Gwyneth Paltrow is getting stung by bees to cure.

And the goddamn flu.

Without modern medicine, how much worse off would your life be?

If you go back to doing all things naturally, a tiny emergency turns into a big one. A long term chronic illness turns into a quick death sentence.

Say you got appendicitis a thousand years ago. Odds were that you would writhe in pain for a day or two, your appendix would have ruptured and your doctors would have given you a battery of herbs (and maybe opium because obviously). All natural treatment to an all natural problem would have left you dead. Naturally.
Much more good stuff there.

Language warning. Had to use bit.ly for the link because there's a curse word in the title. Can you guess what it is?

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.....hmmm .... and how many illnesses can be attributed to the side effects of medicines?

Herbalism has its place and was never meant to be a substitute for surgery.
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.....hmmm .... and how many illnesses can be attributed to the side effects of medicines?

Herbalism has its place and was never meant to be a substitute for surgery.
As I've told you many times, with medicine there is always a cost-benefit analysis to be done. Typically the benefits to be obtained far outweigh the drawbacks. Believers in pseudoscience, on the other hand, like to pretend that there are no negative side effects from using herbs and other unproven remedies. But there are many, including encouraging people to forego conventional medicine until it's too late.

"Herbalism... was never meant to be a substitute for surgery."

You should look into the history of medicine a bit more. You are completely wrong here.
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Nature does care. It's called Natural Selection. The weak die young and the strong live to reproduce. Since I'm human and have the will to live I take advantage to modern medicine. Nature takes the long view.
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Nature does care. It's called Natural Selection. The weak die young and the strong live to reproduce. Since I'm human and have the will to live I take advantage to modern medicine. Nature takes the long view.
Unless you believe that nature has a consciousness and intention - no, it does not care. Natural selection is a process, not a belief system.
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I shouldn't have personified Nature. You're right it doesn't care. Nature's way works to keep everything in balance. We used to think that we could bend it to our will. We keep trying but time and time again we are proven wrong.
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I shouldn't have personified Nature. You're right it doesn't care. Nature's way works to keep everything in balance. We used to think that we could bend it to our will. We keep trying but time and time again we are proven wrong.
Have you read any books by John McPhee? My husband has several. This one speaks to what you're saying: The Control of Nature

For our California friends, there's a section about attempts to control the effects of the fire/rain/landslide cycle around Los Angeles. Excellent book.
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Allow me to give you a direct, true account of the more dubious and worrying side of medicine, notably its side effects.

My mother was a physically strong woman for her age. However, she did have a bit of arthritis and was given vioxx (for the pain and inflammation). One day she had a TIA (mini stroke) and I didn't associate it at all with this drug.....UNTIL I read that vioxx was taken off the US market because of its associated links with strokes and heart attacks!

She had been on vioxx long term and, alas, was taken off of it TOO LATE!!!!
She has gone downhill fast in health......
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Antibiotics have been overused to their detriment... Hence doctors are trying to play catch-up and not to so readily prescribe them now

Antibiotic awareness - The NHS in England - NHS Choices
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Allow me to give you a direct, true account of the more dubious and worrying side of medicine, notably its side effects.

My mother was a physically strong woman for her age. However, she did have a bit of arthritis and was given vioxx (for the pain and inflammation). One day she had a TIA (mini stroke) and I didn't associate it at all with this drug.....UNTIL I read that vioxx was taken off the US market because of its associated links with strokes and heart attacks!

She had been on vioxx long term and, alas, was taken off of it TOO LATE!!!!
She has gone downhill fast in health......
I'm very sorry about what happened to your mother. I truly am. Nothing created by imperfect human beings is perfect, and when something like that happens, it's very difficult to view the situation dispassionately. I could counter it with my own story, but that's not the point. The point is that, much more often than not, modern medicine as a whole works well for most people who use it.
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