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Old 05-30-2008, 11:49 AM   #21
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well, here is what I do...

If someone asks me for money, I ask why, if they say they are hungry, I will seriously stop what I am doing and take them to some place, normally a fast food place, and get them something. If they decline that, I say well, you should have been honest with me, if you wanted a beer, you should have said so...Everyone has a story, some need a kick in the pants, others are under the spell of an addiction, some are perfectly content being on the streets, others are truly in a tough spot and have lost everything.

I know this first hand, I was homeless. I was a kid on the streets for almost 2 years and have seen every side of being homeless. I have talked with people that don't consider them selves homeless, but "outdoors men". I have heard all the stories first hand, and there are some people that really got the bad end of the stick. For me, it was a moment of clarity where I realized, I could not live like this anymore, and I did everything in my power to change. Some people do not have that ability, or feel they are so down and out, that being on the streets is the only option.

I try to be fair and courteous to my fellow men/women. We are all people, whether or not you have a residence, and deserve the same amount of respect you would show to a co-worker or any other passer by on the street. I am not saying to befriend them, but just be friendly. Any adult knows if it is a crazy person, and to just pass on by, but you would be surprised to hear of how they became in the state they are, and it WILL make you more humble and grateful for what you do have.
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:08 PM   #22
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It is clear to me that our group is very diverse, and there are obviously some members with whom I do not agree politically. In a different setting, I might feel compelled to argue over these issues, but this is not the place. We are all here because of our love for cooking, and so, rather than get disturbed over these differences, I try to focus on what we have in common and what we can learn from one another. Two things I have learned as I have aged: (1) not everyone is going to agree with me, and (2) that does not mean that they are not capable of kindness and generosity. Comes as a surprise, I know!
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:21 PM   #23
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My grandson has been homeless, but it was his own doing. After he alienated all his family members by stealing, lying and violence, he went through a number of girlfriends, and then his guy friends, until finally nobody wanted him in their home. He lived in a tent out in the woods for a while, and thought it was pretty cool at first, but it got old pretty fast.
Now he seems to have changed his ways, and is holding down a job flipping burgers, but he's living in a motel because he's lied so much in the past that no one trusts him.
Our son in Florida is willing to give him a chance though, and is coming up here this month to visit, and will take the boy back with him, help him find a job, and give him a place to stay until he gets on his feet.

I only hope he's truly learned his lesson, and that he won't mess up this time.
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:33 PM   #24
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Corey have you ever tried to get a job when you are homeless? Think about it. If you are homeless then you have no place to wash up or shower. You have no place to clean your cloths. How many employers do you think would want to hire someone in dirty worn out rags who has not showered in who knows how long?

How do you know that most of them do not want to get help? That is a very broad statement. Have you talked to them to know this?

Why would you just assume that these people would steal from you because they are homeless. Have you ever heard about judging a book by its cover?

I would not invite them into my home in most cases, but just because they are strangers, not because they are homeless.



Sorry that I sounded so harsh. But I DO know some things about the homeless.


I was never homeless, but however, I DID go out every day last year and the year before looking for a job. No one in the city would hire me.

They more than likely thought that I was probablytoo old, but they used some bogus excuse like I'm not qualified when my resume proves that I AM qualified for the line of work that I was seeking, which is or was cooking.

In late '06, I was stricken with CHF and couldn't work after several months. I had to apply for disability in order to make ends meet. I DO have a volunary job tutoring children.

But I've worked for over 40 years of my life and busted my butt to make a living. If I wasn't disabled, sure, I'd work longer. But this is through no fault of my own.

And yes, to answer your question, I HAVE tried to talk to some of them. And they flat out refused to try to go get help. I became friends with some of them and tried to help them.

The only other thing that I'll say is that they can't be helped if they don't want the help.
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Old 05-30-2008, 02:17 PM   #25
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I suppose that in different geographical areas, the stories differ.

Here in downtown montreal, I think there are more of the worst sort than of the good sort who just need an extra boost.

There are always people outside of the supermarkets, on corners, in front of drug stores. Some of them use their children to beg for money, some of them have a dog beside them. And it seems that some of them rotate corners. They seem to have a system. I came to montreal about 5 years ago with my mom and I saw a woman with two dogs. The SAME woman 5 years ago now sits in front of a pharmaprix downtown. Sometimes its her, sometimes a younger guy, sometimes someone completely different. It's a gimick, using the dogs and having a bag of dog food beside her on the blanket.

I'm sure that some of them are not there by choice, but it seems that alot of them are (the ones that I see, anyways). You can tell that they are drunk (smell) or high (behavior).

There is a guy that sits down here at the convenience store on the tables and calls out to everyone.... exactly...:

"Cigarette....? Cigarette....? Cigarette.... ? Change...? Change...? Change...? **** You... **** You... **** you...."

He either has some sort of disability or is very rude!
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Old 05-30-2008, 02:20 PM   #26
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how dare he ***** smoke near pets and children! or worse, speak for his two invisible friends!

sheesh!
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Old 05-30-2008, 02:21 PM   #27
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Lol!!!!!!!
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Old 05-30-2008, 02:21 PM   #28
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Sorry that I sounded so harsh. But I DO know some things about the homeless.


I was never homeless, but however, I DID go out every day last year and the year before looking for a job. No one in the city would hire me.

They more than likely thought that I was probablytoo old, but they used some bogus excuse like I'm notqualified when my resume proves that I AM qualified for the line of work that I was seeking,which is or was cooking.

In late '06, I was stricken with CHF and couldn't work after several months. I had to apply for disability in orderto make ends meet. I DO have a volunary job tutoring children.

But I've worked for over 40 years of my life and busted my butt to make a living. If I wasn't disabled, sure, I'd work longer. But this is through no fault of my own.

And yes, to answer your question, I HAVE tried to talk tosome of them. And they flatout refused to try to go get help. I became friends with some of them and tried to help them.The only other thing that I'll say is that they can't be helpedif they don't want the help.
You say that you'd work longer if you were not disabled and that this is no fault of your own. But remember that someone else who doesn't know your story might judge you as harshly as you seem to judge the homeless.

I will never believe that any significant number of human beings willingly choose for any significant length of time to live in an environment normally associated with our homeless population. Never.
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THere are some nicer ones though, That sit there day in and day out saying "God Bless You" "Have a great day" among other niceties. There is one dear man that sits on the steps of a church downtown who does this... though he has his hat out lol
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Old 05-30-2008, 02:25 PM   #30
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Suzy, fact of the matter is that there ARE people who are lazy enough to live that life and get free stuff. Sure it may be hard for them say, come winter (in a colder climate), but there are people who choose that life. It could be just the simple fact that they are criminals, or they have lied to so many people that nobody trusts them anymore and they continue to. There are many reasons why people choose that life, either through their actions or through a specific choice of their own.

I agree though that alot of them are just unable to work due to a disability or an illness, and that it was their last resort. I feel for those people, but it is SO hard to tell them apart from the others who lie.
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