Well I think we've gone around this in every direction and we all have our own feelings about this. No one appears to be changing their opinions because of anyone else's eloquent words so I'm just going to shut this down now. 2 reminders to be polite means the next one could be ugly. Thanks all for being so good about this thread. As a mod I appreciate it.
You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it. Robin Williams