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Old 06-11-2014, 06:12 PM   #31
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We need more mental health services that are readily accessible for everyone. These are being cut, and in many areas, just aren't available. And parents, teachers, and others who notice troubled kids shouldn't have to fear retribution if they report them.
Exactly. It's the PC, don't step on any toes world we live in.

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I consider parents primarily responsible for their children. Sadly, parents aren't always up to the job. I'm not sure what makes a teen boy think the solution is to go to a school and shoot children.

I'm not sure parents can prevent it. I see lots of factors that contribute. Violence in movies and on TV is orders of magnitude greater than in the past. There is an increase in violence throughout society.

This attitude towards violence is at the heart of it. It has become the easy solution to your problems to attack your 'enemy'. The ready availability of assault weapons just makes it easier to do it in a big way.

If there were no guns available to these kids, there would be no school shootings. Maybe there would be school bombings instead, or school poisonings.

As I said before, I wish I had the perfect solution. Not sure there is one.
There would be stabbings, like the kid in Pgh a month ago (or so). Twenty some people got stabbed. And he didn't look like a large or strong kid either.

True, guns make it easy, but where there's a will there's a way.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:20 PM   #32
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Our recent school attack was a stabbing rampage with 2 kitchen knives. Kitchen knives are available to every school student. No one died, but they could have. He is charged with 21 counts of attempted homicide and assault. He pleaded not guilty today. I am not sure if he's being charged as an adult or a juvenile. I still haven't heard if he stated a reason for his actions. He has the best Pittsburgh defense attorney that money can buy.

Another fatal attack happened at home instead of at school. A teen beat his brother to death with a baseball bat in an argument over a girl.

It doesn't have to be a gun.

I always searched my step-children's rooms. I did it because I didn't want any surprises. How many parents say they didn't know their kids were involved in this or that. I never found anything earth shattering....nothing I never did as a teen. It just gave me some peace of mind that they were good kids. I did this for their protection, which was my job!

Addie, if my kids left their dirty clothes on the floor they stayed there. It wasn't my job to pick them up. On washday, I washed what was in the hamper. Once they learned that their favorite outfit didn't get washed, they made sure they were in the hamper after that.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:23 PM   #33
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I can sympathize with the belief that more gun control will fix the problem, but the fact is there is more gun control now than there was thirty years ago when we did not have this problem. And yes we had AR 15's and high capacity magazines back then, too. You could walk into any department store and walk out with a rifle, 100 rounds of ammo and five magazines ten minutes later.
You should think about coming down to Virginia to a gun show. You can buy pretty much anything you want, in as large quantities as you want, out in the parking lot. No questions asked, no limits. You bring the cash, you take home whatever you want. We used to have a limit of one handgun purchase a month, because gang members from other states would come and buy trunkloads-full, but it was repealed a few years ago.

I'm not saying the availability of weapons and ammunition is the only problem. Certainly, our mental health care system needs much improvement and some parents need to take more responsibility for their children. But we all need to recognize that a lot of things have changed in our society in the last 30 years and take reasonable steps to do what we can to prevent more violence.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:30 PM   #34
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Our recent school attack was a stabbing rampage with 2 kitchen knives. Kitchen knives are available to every school student. No one died, but they could have.
But they didn't. It's a lot harder to murder a lot of people with a knife or a baseball bat than with a semi-automatic gun and several high-capacity magazines.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:12 PM   #35
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This might help with all the school shootings

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But they didn't. It's a lot harder to murder a lot of people with a knife or a baseball bat than with a semi-automatic gun and several high-capacity magazines.

There are sick, twisted people out there. Sadly, there are some who are quietly bat-crap crazy. Maybe with the proper medication and counseling, they wouldn't follow their urges.
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You should think about coming down to Virginia to a gun show. You can buy pretty much anything you want, in as large quantities as you want, out in the parking lot. No questions asked, no limits. You bring the cash, you take home whatever you want. We used to have a limit of one handgun purchase a month, because gang members from other states would come and buy trunkloads-full, but it was repealed a few years ago.

I'm not saying the availability of weapons and ammunition is the only problem. Certainly, our mental health care system needs much improvement and some parents need to take more responsibility for their children. But we all need to recognize that a lot of things have changed in our society in the last 30 years and take reasonable steps to do what we can to prevent more violence.
I have to ask, GG. Have you actually been to a gun show in VA? I have, lots of them, both here and in NC. I have yet to see a pickup full of gangbangers from NY loading up guns out of a semi and taking off for NY. Security is tight, and any such activity would be immediately investigated.

Nearly all the actual arms dealers at these shows are FFL, and are fully vetted by management prior to being allowed to exhibit. Promoters have far too much to lose if activities as you describe were permitted. Background checks are made. Those that are not licensed are vendors selling antique firearms or non gun related items.
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You should think about coming down to Virginia to a gun show. You can buy pretty much anything you want, in as large quantities as you want, out in the parking lot. No questions asked, no limits. You bring the cash, you take home whatever you want. We used to have a limit of one handgun purchase a month, because gang members from other states would come and buy trunkloads-full, but it was repealed a few years ago.

I'm not saying the availability of weapons and ammunition is the only problem. Certainly, our mental health care system needs much improvement and some parents need to take more responsibility for their children. But we all need to recognize that a lot of things have changed in our society in the last 30 years and take reasonable steps to do what we can to prevent more violence.
I agree. All I'm saying is you don't make it harder to buy a car because DUI's or hit and runs are up.
Something needs done, but it should address the immediate problem, which is, as already mentioned, the mental issues. What is it today that makes kids freak out so easily that wasn't here when we were growing up?

And I know it's just not kids, but most adults that go ballistic is a form of retalliation against oppression. Things go to extremes these days.
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But they didn't. It's a lot harder to murder a lot of people with a knife or a baseball bat than with a semi-automatic gun and several high-capacity magazines.

Even one death is too many.
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I agree. All I'm saying is you don't make it harder to buy a car because DUI's or hit and runs are up.
Something needs done, but it should address the immediate problem, which is, as already mentioned, the mental issues. What is it today that makes kids freak out so easily that wasn't here when we were growing up?

And I know it's just not kids, but most adults that go ballistic is a form of retalliation against oppression. Things go to extremes these days.
But we do require training, testing, licensing and registration when it comes to cars. I'm told by a friend who shoots for pleasure in Virginia and North Carolina that NC's training requirements for guns are practically worthless.

We've been talking about school shootings here, but they're not the only source of gun violence in this country.
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I have to ask, GG. Have you actually been to a gun show in VA? I have, lots of them, both here and in NC. I have yet to see a pickup full of gangbangers from NY loading up guns out of a semi and taking off for NY. Security is tight, and any such activity would be immediately investigated.

Nearly all the actual arms dealers at these shows are FFL, and are fully vetted by management prior to being allowed to exhibit. Promoters have far too much to lose if activities as you describe were permitted. Background checks are made. Those that are not licensed are vendors selling antique firearms or non gun related items.
No, I haven't. I'm not comfortable around thousands of guns. I was referring to news reports from 20+ years ago, before Virginia passed the one-handgun-a-month law, since repealed.

I've also seen video of Colin Goddard, a survivor of the massacre at Virginia Tech, buying handguns and rifles, in some cases without even showing ID, with cash, without a background check, at gun shows across the country, to show how easy it is. It's his mission in life to close the loophole where people can buy firearms at gun shows without a background check.
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