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Old 07-12-2014, 01:01 PM   #20181
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I did explain in a later post that Yeast infections were the primary reason to take probiotics. But once you have C. difficile and later colitis, any antibiotic can change your focus on antibiotic use. My experience is that probiotics stop colitis flares. Even I am allowed to make a mistake, I am a human after all.
We're all allowed to make mistakes here. Some more than others.

Colitis and probiotics------ One PubMed article has this to say:

"Therapies such as prebiotics and probiotics aim to selectively manipulate the intestinal microbiota and have been evaluated as an attractive therapeutic option with few side effects."

Modulating the microbiota in inflammatory bowe... [Proc Nutr Soc. 2014] - PubMed - NCBI

Yep, C diff will change anyone's focus.

I took antibiotics for a LONG time (more than 10 years) along with probiotics and never had a yeast infection of any kind. But other Lymies did say they did get yeast infections while taking probiotics. I never followed them so I don't know any details.

Yeast infection = candidiasis

So there's a big difference between oral or vaginal thrush and systemic candidiasis. I had vaginal and oral candidiasis several times back in the years WAY before I ever took ANY antibiotic, ever. (I thought they were they were the Devil's Spawn.)

"Candidiasis encompasses infections that range from superficial, such as oral thrush and vaginitis, to systemic and potentially life-threatening diseases. Candida infections of the latter category are also referred to as candidemia or invasive candidiasis, and are usually confined to severely immunocompromised persons, such as cancer, transplant, and AIDS patients, as well as nontrauma emergency surgery patients.[4]"

Candidiasis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Back on the topic------ taking probiotics, in my opinion, is a very good idea even if a person isn't taking antibiotics and especially as one ages. Unless a person takes too many it can do no harm and it's inexpensive.
We (as Lymies) were always told to buy the refrigerated kind. But I think there are now some shelf stable brands ---- I haven't researched that so I don't know.

A good yogurt with live bacteria is good also. Or Kefir with live cultures.
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Old 07-12-2014, 01:10 PM   #20182
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I've already read the journal articles of merit on the subject of colitis, thanks.
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Old 07-12-2014, 01:42 PM   #20183
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I beg to differ. I have used this method and now can honestly say I very, very rarely get a cold sore, i.e even at the tingly stage emerging.
Also, those that have tried this have reported favourably the same.

http://everydayroots.com/cold-sore-remedies

We had a similar discussion on another topic before you came to DC. The bottom line is that correlation does not equal causation, i.e., the fact that you did something and something else happened after that doesn't mean that the first thing caused the second. It may have, but it may not have, so next you need to set up a scientific experiment to test the hypothesis and prove that there is a connection. Then you have to repeat the experiment to prove that the first result wasn't a fluke. Then usually scientists publish their results so other scientists can replicate them - or not.
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Old 07-12-2014, 01:47 PM   #20184
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So there's a big difference between oral or vaginal thrush and systemic candidiasis. I had vaginal and oral candidiasis several times back in the years WAY before I ever took ANY antibiotic, ever. (I thought they were they were the Devil's Spawn.)
Way TMI, cave.
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Old 07-12-2014, 01:54 PM   #20185
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I've already read the journal articles of merit on the subject of colitis, thanks.
You're welcome. Perhaps others hadn't.
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I beg to differ. I have used this method and now can honestly say I very, very rarely get a cold sore, i.e even at the tingly stage emerging.
Also, those that have tried this have reported favourably the same.

16 Ways to Prevent & Get Rid of Cold Sores | Everyday Roots

Taken from the link you provided:

There is no true cure for the virus, or the cold sores. The bright side is that there are preventative measures you can take that lessen outbreaks, severity, and duration. If the bothersome blisters do show up, there are a decent number of home remedies for cold sores that may ease your discomfort, and help diminish their appearance. Just because there is no cure, doesn’t mean you’re stuck using irritating prescription face creams or having a cold sore that hangs around for an eternity.
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We had a similar discussion on another topic before you came to DC. The bottom line is that correlation does not equal causation, i.e., the fact that you did something and something else happened after that doesn't mean that the first thing caused the second. It may have, but it may not have, so next you need to set up a scientific experiment to test the hypothesis and prove that there is a connection. Then you have to repeat the experiment to prove that the first result wasn't a fluke. Then usually scientists publish their results so other scientists can replicate them - or not.
Whilst I appreciate what you say, it was not my own discovery. I heard about it via a radio programme and - if you google "cold sore" and "ice cube" you will see lots of info come up so it would seem to be fairly common knowledge, i.e. established. Sometimes science can be overrated....direct, common experience is just as valid in my view.

The point is that the ice cube method works EVERY time if applied at the tingly stage. I don't care much for the argument about not apparently killing the virus fully. It works at the time and, in my experience and others too, barely ever comes back.
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Old 07-12-2014, 02:22 PM   #20188
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Way TMI, cave.
Oops, sorry---- I thought that since people can talk about diarrhea even bloody diarrhea, explosive diarrhea, puking and poo pourri ............

If you want to a ask a moderator to delete the offending words, I'm o.k. with that.
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Old 07-12-2014, 02:45 PM   #20189
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I mis-spoke earlier in my post 21823 ". Unless a person takes too many it can do no harm and it's inexpensive."

Upon looking further (on Lyme forums) evidently too much lactobacillus CAN produce a condition that's explained here:

Cytolytic vaginosis. [Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1991] - PubMed - NCBI

And here:

"The study indicated that special attention has to be paid during evaluation the _____ (deleted by cave76) smears of the patients with presumed _________ (deleted by cave76) in order to prevent an erroneous diagnosis of CV."

Cytolytic vaginosis: examination of... [Cent Eur J Public Health. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI

It's not common but should be considered. Just saying.
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Oops, sorry---- I thought that since people can talk about diarrhea even bloody diarrhea, explosive diarrhea, puking and poo pourri ............

If you want to a ask a moderator to delete the offending words, I'm o.k. with that.
Oh, and to add to TMI---just yesterday:

Smelling Farts is good for you says new study!!

I found it funny but then I'm not easily offended.
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