Cornish Pasties

[Addie]

Question. Didn'[t the original pasties have one half veggies and meat and the other half dessert? And the pie crust had a sort of thick handle on one end to protect the food from the coal dust of miners hands? Oh all right. Two questons? Do they still make them that way? Three questions. I get carried away.

 

[jonnyjonny_uk]

Question. Didn'[t the original pasties have one half veggies and meat and the other half dessert? And the pie crust had a sort of thick handle on one end to protect the food from the coal dust of miners hands? Oh all right. Two questons? Do they still make them that way? Three questions. I get carried away.

You can ask as many questions as you like Addie Whether I'm correct or not who knows As with lots of food origins and history it's always open to discussion which is what I love about food and cooking! It has been said that years ago they filled their pasties with half sweet and half savoury so they had two meals in one but history more suggests that a pasty consisted of swede, potato and onion because in the 16th and 17th century it was considered to be the food eaten by poorer working families such as the tin miners in Cornwall and it was only at a later stage the meat was added.

Your correct about the handle - the traditional pasty is crimped and forms a crust around the pasty that served as a handle for the miners to hold and not get their dirty hands on the pasty and they would throw the crust over their shoulders for the tommyknockers (otherworld spirits that lived in the mines) it served as a gift to appease the mischevious spirits in the mine.

I know mine didn't really have this handle(crust) on them but I tried I need now to learn how to do the crimping properly so they turn out better next time but I'll still eat with clean hands

 

[jonnyjonny_uk]

Nice one Jonny - loving the receep and the photos. I use the cold butter from freezer trick too for my pastry. Bolas probably stole it from me when I wasnt looking.

Thanks very much GQ The most important thing is that we have the secret trick and it works

JJ fantastic food porn at its best. Thankfully I the wet pat on my lap is dribble for a few moments I thought I had a senior.........................i'll get my coat.

Cheers Bolas! It was rather pornographic and I'll forgive you for your senior moment Taxi for Bolassssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!

 

[Addie]

Thanks Johnny for the answer. I love history. Whether it be food, travel, countries, etc. One time I set out on a mission to learn the all about the English Royal family and their line of lineage. I started with William the Conqueror right to Elisabeth II. I kept the library busy getting books for me. An anyone who knows me never asks me about the histor of Boston. I could go on and on.

 

[jonnyjonny_uk]

Your more than welcome Addie I'm also the same, I love history of food and different countries, I've just started reading the Conde Nast and National Geographic travel magazines and packed full of interesting information, also the Saveur magazine gives some great info about food history and origins.

Last month I watched a series of tv programs by Jamie Oliver (I forgot the name of the series) He was touring around Britain and cooking up dishes famous for each area but he explained how they originated somewhere completely different but were just bought in by foreign workers in that area. I never realised that the humble hamburger started off here in Russia

 

[PrincessFiona60]

Your more than welcome Addie I'm also the same, I love history of food and different countries, I've just started reading the Conde Nast and National Geographic travel magazines and packed full of interesting information, also the Saveur magazine gives some great info about food history and origins.

Last month I watched a series of tv programs by Jamie Oliver (I forgot the name of the series) He was touring around Britain and cooking up dishes famous for each area but he explained how they originated somewhere completely different but were just bought in by foreign workers in that area. I never realised that the humble hamburger started off here in Russia

The question here is...do you eat your hamburger with knife and fork or do you pick it up and eat it like we do in the US?

 

[Hammster]

This is what my pasties look like. I use the ever so fancy fork crimping method. And, they are always served with ketchup. To Fiona's question, we eat ours with knife and fork, but could easily be eaten out of hand if not cut open for a pic.

 

[jonnyjonny_uk]

The question here is...do you eat your hamburger with knife and fork or do you pick it up and eat it like we do in the US?

There not big on hamburgers here in Russia PF and the hamburger originated from the Russian steak tartare so that is eaten a lot here. Of course there are now many restaurants serving hamburgers and endless amounts of McDonalds restaurants around so the locals eat them but if your talking about in the home then not many cook them.

I'm a pick it up with your hands kind of guy when it comes to burgers and ribs etc so in answer to your question as an English guy, I eat a hamburger with my hands

 

[jonnyjonny_uk]

This is what my pasties look like. I use the ever so fancy fork crimping method. And, they are always served with ketchup. To Fiona's question, we eat ours with knife and fork, but could easily be eaten out of hand if not cut open for a pic.

They look lovely Hammster!!! I also ate mine with some tomato ketchup but if I had some on hand I'm partial to HP Brown sauce on mine

I like your fork crimping style and that would of probably been easier to do rather than doing with my fingers but next time I'm going to attempt this style of crimping...........

I think PrincessFiona was relating to hamburgers when she said how do you eat them but I like to also eat pasties with my hands when served on there own but as a meal with veg etc then I'm a knife and fork guy

 

[PrincessFiona60]

There not big on hamburgers here in Russia PF and the hamburger originated from the Russian steak tartare so that is eaten a lot here. Of course there are now many restaurants serving hamburgers and endless amounts of McDonalds restaurants around so the locals eat them but if your talking about in the home then not many cook them.

I'm a pick it up with your hands kind of guy when it comes to burgers and ribs etc so in answer to your question as an English guy, I eat a hamburger with my hands

I was wondering because I had heard that US tourists in England are considered uncouth for picking up their burgers and eating them. It must have been the setting they were in, they did say they were in a restaurant and not a fast food place.

 

[jonnyjonny_uk]

I was wondering because I had heard that US tourists in England are considered uncouth for picking up their burgers and eating them. It must have been the setting they were in, they did say they were in a restaurant and not a fast food place.

Yeah, it would probably seem a little strange to folks in England if they started picking up a burger in a restaurant but if it's at home, from a street kiosk, bbq etc then I think it's very normal to eat a burger with your hands and not reach for the knife and fork.

Would you even eat a burger with your hands in a quite fancy restaurant? I know fancy restaurants don't usually serve burgers but would it happen?

 

[PrincessFiona60]

Yeah, it would probably seem a little strange to folks in England if they started picking up a burger in a restaurant but if it's at home, from a street kiosk, bbq etc then I think it's very normal to eat a burger with your hands and not reach for the knife and fork.

Would you even eat a burger with your hands in a quite fancy restaurant? I know fancy restaurants don't usually serve burgers but would it happen?

Oh yes! But then I was raised by wolves... If a food is served with top and bottom bread, it should be picked up. It that is inappropriate the restaurant should not serve it that way, it should be open face.

I can count on the fingers of one hand how many times I've eaten in a fancy restaurant in 51 years, and I have enough fingers to have a couple left over. I much prefer the relaxed attitude in less formal settings. I can be cleaned up and presented in classier places and I will act accordingly, but that only lasts until I get the giggles.

 

[jonnyjonny_uk]

Oh yes! But then I was raised by wolves... If a food is served with top and bottom bread, it should be picked up. It that is inappropriate the restaurant should not serve it that way, it should be open face.

I agree with you on that one 100% In fact, it's almost impossible to eat a burger served in a bun with a knife and fork and ruins all the fun

I can count on the fingers of one hand how many times I've eaten in a fancy restaurant in 51 years, and I have enough fingers to have a couple left over. I much prefer the relaxed attitude in less formal settings. I can be cleaned up and presented in classier places and I will act accordingly, but that only lasts until I get the giggles.

I'm the same as you, always felt a little intimidated in fancy restaurants but here in Moscow it's full of fancy restaurants so I've kind of got used to it now and to be honest, the people here mind there own business so you could probably sit giggling all night long and nobody would notice

 

[PrincessFiona60]

I agree with you on that one 100% In fact, it's almost impossible to eat a burger served in a bun with a knife and fork and ruins all the fun



I'm the same as you, always felt a little intimidated in fancy restaurants but here in Moscow it's full of fancy restaurants so I've kind of got used to it now and to be honest, the people here mind there own business so you could probably sit giggling all night long and nobody would notice

I would be fine until I remembered my Dad's stage whisper of, "Don't eat the doilies," from when I was about 7 years old. He didn't care for the robot children act and decided to lighten the mood during dessert.

 

[jonnyjonny_uk]

I would be fine until I remembered my Dad's stage whisper of, "Don't eat the doilies," from when I was about 7 years old. He didn't care for the robot children act and decided to lighten the mood during dessert.

Oh don't worry, as long as you eat the doilies with a knife and fork you'd be fine

 

[PrincessFiona60]

Oh don't worry, as long as you eat the doilies with a knife and fork you'd be fine

Okay, now I have to make sure I take a few doilies on our next visit...
Yes, I will eat paper to make my Dad laugh!

 

[jonnyjonny_uk]

Okay, now I have to make sure I take a few doilies on our next visit...
Yes, I will eat paper to make my Dad laugh!

It does not mean you have to eat them At least try to behave.......for a few minutes

Have you been to Russia before?

 

[Bolas De Fraile]

JJ I first visited Moscow about 35 yrs ago to catch a train to 'blisi.The Russians may have invented the burger but the Serbs invented the bun "lepinje" this the famous Belgrade emporium of Pljeskavica Marka

It looks a bit like Moscow.

 

[jonnyjonny_uk]

JJ I first visited Moscow about 35 yrs ago to catch a train to 'blisi.The Russians may have invented the burger but the Serbs invented the bun "lepinje" this the famous Belgrade emporium of Pljeskavica Marka

It looks a bit like Moscow.

Oh wow! How did you find Moscow all that time ago? It has even changed in the six years I have been here and I can imagine 35 years ago it was a whole new ball game!! May I be nosey and ask what bought you to Moscow or was it just to catch the train? Did you travel down to Tbilisi?

Interesting video and I never realised that hamburger is one of there national dishes! You learn something new everyday and this site is an education

There were some similarities to Moscow, just a few more cars and people on the streets now though

Cheers Bolas!

 

[Bolas De Fraile]

I went with a cousin who had street cred then in the USSR.We went to 'blisi to visit the grave of his great grandfather and mess ewith the Georgian girls