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Old 09-20-2004, 09:39 AM   #11
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Hmmm....Andy, were you over near Bandera? (Used to go there yearly to hunt big horn with my dad).
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Old 09-20-2004, 09:54 AM   #12
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actually the lodge is on the banks of the nueces river about 4 or 5 miles south of camp wood, tx on hwy 55 [30 miles north of uvalde].
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Old 09-20-2004, 10:01 AM   #13
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Fairly close. What a great way to spend a weekend. Hope you fellows were successful. I'm certain you ate well, regardless!
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Old 09-20-2004, 10:11 AM   #14
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haven't been able to hunt yet...too busy. i'm the chef. the pressure of serving 30 'well oiled' rich guys with guns every weekend is tremendous.
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Old 09-21-2004, 12:48 AM   #15
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I want your chipotle salsa recipe...please!! 8)
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Old 09-21-2004, 11:22 AM   #16
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i'm here to please:

CHIPOTLE SALSA
makes about 4 cups

2 large onions, peeled and quartered
8 to 10 cloves of garlic
6 to 8 tomatoes
1 small can Chipotle chilies
2 to 3 tablespoons olive oil
salt and fresh coarse ground black pepper

Put the onion, garlic and tomatoes on a baking sheet and put under the broiler until the skins of the tomatoes are mostly blackened and blistered. You will need to turn them periodically with tongs. When cool enough to handle, remove the skins under cold running water.

Put all onion, garlic, tomatoes and chilies in your blender or food processor and puree. You may have to work in batches.

Heat the oil in a heavy skillet and pour in the puree. Careful! It may splatter. Reduce heat and simmer the sauce until it is thickened, stirring frequently. Season to taste with salt and pepper.
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Old 09-21-2004, 07:20 PM   #17
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Except for the fact that Black Forest Ham originated in the Black Forest of Germany and I had it there for the first time over 30 years ago I do noto know. Has been my favorite ever since. What we find here is not authentic and tastes different. Most packaging says 'Black Forest Type Ham.' There is one I get at TJ's and the PC markets here that is close. Of course, the pallet may not remember what it had 30+ years ago, but that is the ham I always reach for.

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Old 09-21-2004, 07:21 PM   #18
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Re: black forest ham

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i've asked this question in another message board twice and got no responses. maybe i'll get a bite here...
what distinguishes a black forest ham to make it a black forest ham?

bonus question...
did adam or eve have navels.
I do not think the garden of eden had a Navy
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Except for the fact that Black Forest Ham originated in the Black Forest of Germany and I had it there for the first time over 30 years ago I do noto know. Has been my favorite ever since. What we find here is not authentic and tastes different. Most packaging says 'Black Forest Type Ham.' There is one I get at TJ's and the PC markets here that is close. Of course, the pallet may not remember what it had 30+ years ago, but that is the ham I always reach for.

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Old 09-22-2004, 12:30 AM   #20
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I dunno, norgeskog, I live in Munich and it seems like the Black Forest Ham that we eat here (obviously authentic) and the one we get from our gourmet "charcuterie" back in the States when we are visiting are remarkably similar. If the smoking is done properly, I can tell little difference. I think the main difference is that everything is SO fresh here and they use no preservatives, so maybe if the company that is curing the meat uses something in addition to smoking to preserve the meat, the taste will be different. Dunno... last time I was in the States was 2 months ago. I was amazed at how CHEMICAL everything tasted. Everything here is just so FRESH, from scratch.

Edited to add: I agree with norgeskog that the stuff you get pre-packaged or from large chain grocery store delis is NOT anything like Black Forest Ham. Try going to a gourmet deli - from what I've heard, some even do the curing/smoking themselves. The BFH that we get in the US that tastes so authentic is from such a deli.
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